Puchaz Spinning thread that might be of interest in light of the recent accident.

I see Dave.

I'm courious now :
When you're teaching Stalls and a wing is low just before the stall, you
don't pick it up until AFTER the stall ?

This is not the way it's done in both countries where I fly.


"Dave Martin" wrote in message
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At 09:48 31 January 2004, Arnold Pieper wrote:

The correct control input, which is to apply right
rudder to pick it up, move stick forward enough the
reduce AOA.

Sorry to pull one part of your story out for comment.

Some years ago the British Gliding Association dropped
the term incipient spin and called this 'Stall With
With Wing Drop'.

Most older instructors and pilots were taught as you
decribed to pick up the dropping wing with rudder.


The current BGA instructors manual states:-)

'When a wing drops at the stall it is essential to
unstall the glider before attempting to level the wings.
Once the glider is unstalled, level the wings with
coordinated ailerons and rudder.' Section 18 page 2

In the demonstration and practice section page 18.4.
The instructor is told

'Emphasise

the wings are levelled with coordinated use of ailerons
and rudder, BUT ONLY AFTER the glider is unstalled.'

Spinning is merely the natural consequence of failure
to understand and/or recognise the onset of the problems
caused by flying at or close to the stalling speed.
It is for this reason that students should be taught
both in theory and practice the stall symptoms and
the BGA further stalling exercises. Together with the
dangers of flying at of close to the stall speed in
any phase of their flight.

I agree that in many cases merely relaxing the back
pressure on the stick to regain flying speed can prevent
the onset of stalling the wing and it consequences.


Dave