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I fly with the same group as you Ted and I wonder where you get the idea 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
		 
		
	
	
	that it is "routine" to fly with no landing options, even in hardcore competition. I don't believe this to be the case and I agree with Eric. I have found that when a pilot is relating a story of some scary situation they got themselves into and I ask them where they would have landed, 99% of the time they have an answer. Barb  | 
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