When to acknowledge ATC

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Ron Natalie wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

No clearance is required.


For Class C airspace, 2-way communication is the clearance into
that airspace. No, ATC doesn't ahve to 'clear' you into it, but the
communication is the clearance as is.

No clearance is required. Do you know what CLEARANCE means?

I never said that they will *CLEAR* you into Class C airspace;
but that the 2-way communication *IS* the clearance. Class B is another
story.

If ATC tells you to remain outside a certain class airspace,
you must read that back

I don't have to read back anything.

and remain outside that airspace until he
clears you into it

You will not EVER get a VFR clearance into class C or D airspace.

I never said you would get a 'clearance' into Class C or D. See
above. But if you're checking in:

Norcal Approach Cessna 343CM with you, out of Placerville,
3500, flight following to Marysville.

And you hear:

Cessna 343CM, Norcal Approach, squawk 4206.

There's your clearance through/into Class C. Not that ATC will
*CLEAR* you, but if they respond to your call, and that Approach
controller is operating Class C airspace, their call back to you *IS*
your clearance into or through that Class C airspace. Yes, They will
have you at Radar contact after you squawk the xpdr setting, but that
doesn't require any readback. But you asked about clearance, so there
you have it.

It says nothing about clearances. You're making things up again.

Alternately, for Class B, if you're checking in:

Las Vegas Approach, KingAir 385GT with you, 20 south of BLD,
8500, full stop at Las Vegas McCarran.

And you hear:

KingAir 356GT, Las Vegas Approach, squawk 5133.

You squawk 5133, and later you hear:

King Air 6GT, radar contact 18nm south of BLD, cleared into
Class Bravo Airspace, maintain VFR at or below 8500, Las Vegas
altimeter xx.xx

You then are cleared into Class B.

Read the documents yourself, if you don't believe me. Better
yet, call the ATC when they chastise you for not reading back anything that
tells you to remain outside of a given airspace for a reason.

BL.
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