It was really close...

Did we all pass teach?

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
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Alright Matt!!,
I am impressed with the history buffs in the newsgroup! I thank you sir
for taking mine and Dave's history lesson even further....

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"W P Dixon" wrote in message
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Very well said,
Sometimes we only see the part of history we chose to see.
Lincoln
had
the entire Maryland State Legislature arrested and never charged with
a
crime....just to keep them from voting for or against secession.
Numerous
newspaper owner/editors were arrested because they expressed the
thought
that the Constitution allowed for secession..as a few northestern
states
had
threathened many a time. I didn't agree with Lincoln throwing the
Constitution out of the window then, and I don't agree with doing it
now
either.
Lincoln started a very bad trend of the Federal Government having
all
of
the power,...and to this day we are at the mercy of the Federal
Government.
I'm pretty sure the founding fathers have been disgusted at us since
1861
.

Actually not. Some of the founding fathers, such as Jefferson, wanted
a
very limited federal government

Actually MOST wanted minimalist government. It wasn't until 1860 that
the
trend reversed entirely. Prior ot that the only ones wanting BIG
government
were the ones who were feeding at the trough.

and others wanted a federal government even
larger and more intrusive than what we have now.

Most noticably Hamilton and Clinton (George, not Bubba).

Don't forget also some of
the founding fathers wanted a monarchy.

Hamilton again, and they were not the majority and were pretty much of
of
the "limelight" by 1800.

Patrick Henry wanted a theocracy, and by that, he was pretty much a "has
been" shortly after his "Give Me Liberty" speech.


The end result was a compromise but
the Jeffersonian minimalist have over the centuries been losing ground
to
the bigger is better types.

It really took hold with Lincoln (a Hegelian) and then with Marx and the
"Progressives". People lapped it up thinking they were going to dig into
the
deep pockets and the govt was more than happy to oblige.