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![]() "Greg Esres" wrote in message ... He/she created their own problem by clearing you into conflicting traffic unless they can prove you deviated from your IFR clearance. Do you feel that it's ATC's responsibility to protect the route of the obstacle departure procedure, even when it's not included in the pilot's clearance and does not lie in his route of flight? Yes. It is my point that the ODP *is* included in an IFR departure clearance unless ATC issues explicit alternate departure instructions as part of the launch. Should ATC fail to protect for the ODP, the official statement on the controller's operational error recert package will likely include the sentance: "Primary cause: Controller A procedurally failed to maintain vertical separation prior to losing lateral separation." Even if it is ATC's responsibility do you not think it prudent of the pilot to keep ATC informed of what he intends to do, as part of the cooperative spirit? I agree with you. I believe that it can be clearly prudent for the pilot to keep ATC informed of what he intends to do, but within reason. I don't know that it is always reasonable for you to tell ATC that you are going to be flying the ODP though. The controller responsible for formulating your IFR clearance is supposed to be a specialist in his/her airspace. He/she should know if an ODP is an option when you depart. If that procedure is a threat to another IFR aircraft, then ATC needs to eliminate the traffic threat via alternate instructions or not clear you. Otherwise, your IFR clearance is flawed (and ATC's fault). Chip, ZTL |
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