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* Steven P. McNicoll :
Timothy Witt wrote: "they had been cleared direct to the IAF", e.g. "turn X heading Y direct ROUND HILL, cleared VOR/DME 12". Who's Timothy Witt? The person who posted .com as deducted from his email address. "At 10:51 the [Washington] center controller gave the flight a heading of 090 to intercept the 300-degree radial of the Armel VOR, to cross a point 25 miles west of Armel at 8,000, and '...the three-zero-zero radial will be for the VOR approach to Runway One-Two at Dulles, altimeter two-niner-point-seven-four.' The crew acknowledged. Cockpit voice recordings (CVR) showed that the VOR was tuned and altimeters properly set." "At 10:57 the crew again discussed the approach, including Round Hill intersection, the final approach fix, VASI, runway lights, and the airport diagram." "At 11:01 the flight was cleared to 7,000 feet and handed off to Dulles Approach Control. Dulles cleared it to proceed inbound to Armel VOR and to expect the VOR/DME approach to Runway 12. At 11:04 the flight reported level at 7,000, and five seconds later the controller said, 'TWA Five-Fourteen, you're cleared for a VOR/DME approach to Runway One-Two.' The captain acknowledged this." http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/sp9806.html Thanks. I can see no clearance "direct to the IAF" there. Only vector to intercept the FAC for the VOR/DME 12. If I'm not totally mistaken, ROUND HILL is 11.6 DME from the FAF (which is in turn 6 DME from AML), not the IAF. I guess ROUND HILL is the actual IAF?! Oops. I should have written, "...when they reached ROUND HILL, 11.6 miles from the FAF. There is no designated IAF on this plate. OK. Wasn't sure wether IAFs were explicitly marked as such almost 30 years ago. I'm only familiar with today's charts. :-) Hm. My reading of the old approach plate would be to stay at or above 3300 (which MSA radius was used back then?) until ROUND HILL, then descend to 1800, and at 6 DME AML (FAF) start descending to MDA. According to the regulation in effect today, given the clearance TWA514 received, you'd stay at 7,000 until ROUND HILL. Yep, fully agree. Good to see that I actually understood one thing and another. :-) Where did this captain get the idea to descend below the MEA of 1800ft before the FAF? You said "but decided that clearance for the approach was clearance to the initial approach altitude" - which would be 1800ft. Did they overshoot this descend (you mentioned 1670ft), or did he actually thought he could descend to MDA? They were descending to 1,800. The weather was bad, the CVR mentions a downdraft and a bumpy ride. Why the captain chose 1,800 is a mystery. Indeed. The MSA for the quadrant they were in is 3300'. The MEA for the route from Front Royal VOR, which was just 14 degrees off of their track, was 3400'. Yeah, that's why I asked what MSA radius was used back then, as it's not stated on the approach plate. The enroute segment with the 3400ft MEA is (IIRC) about 18nm long, so it's certainly longer than the MSA radius. How anyone could examine that plate and conclude 1800 MSL was a good altitude west of ROUND HILL is a mystery to me. Indeed. Best regards, Daniel |
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