Gas Prices -- Help at last?

Dave S wrote:

OOOPS... Not YOU.. the OTHER MATT... whiting or something or other..

Whiting, if you are following this, my retort was for you, and you alone.

Dave

Matt Barrow wrote:

"Dave S" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

WHINE !! BITCH!! MOAN!! NOT IN MY BACK YARD!! I want gas! I want
cheap gas!! I want this I want that!

Grow the **** up, America!!


Matt, let me know when you can debate something without resorting to
personal attacks or insults, then I will debate it with you.



Well, Dave, my apologies because my last point was a general take, not
directed to you (notice I said' Grow up America", not "Grow up,
Dave"). I notice you have very strong leanings and understanding
toward free markets. I'm not concerned about you selling short :~)

I do know I tend to lose it when people make foolish caveats
especially ones that are logical fallacies such as "without all this
regulation we'd be in (insert Armageddon class crisis)".


And.. I don't work in academia. I actually work for a living.



That helps, but those in academia consider that they "work for a
living", too. What's more, working for a living is no basis for
understanding how markets work. Even many managers don't "get it".
Many are hired for their political acumen, not for their knowledge or
leadership qualities.


I also dont consider myself whining about prices for gas. I pay for
it as I go. Its nice to have enough disposable income to do so
without flinching.

The refineries ARE in my back yard. They pay their share in property
taxes to the localities and school systems. They also provide jobs to
the economy. I'd love for them to expand, and provide more capital to
our infrastructure here. But not at the cost of polluting unnecessarily.



Yes, indeed. Thing is, like so much of life, regulation stopped having
a goal (reduced pollution) and became a goal in itself (i.e.,
self-serving bureaucracies). For example, years ago, when the coal
fired power plants were first required to install "scrubbers", they
regulations stipulated levels caps for emissions. They were also
ordered to install specific equipment to reach those levels. As it
was, the equipment mandated was egregiously costly and maintenance was
enormous. It also created a lot of toxic waste to be disposed of. It
turned out that emissions could have been as good or better using
other means of emissions reductions with less cost and less
maintenance. That's why I'm very skeptical of the fallacies that
"without all these regulations, ...blah, blah, blah).



Anyways, unless you have something meaningful to contribute to this
rather than unwarranted insults, I will leave you to your rant.



My rant addresses so many people that become enamored with a pristine
world and completely miss the points that, first, every advantage has
it's costs, that actions have consequences including "Unintended
Consequences".

I also notice a strong propensity for those who demand a risk free
life, a pristine world, and great prosperity, are often the most vocal
when their actions play out. It's an attitude that is understandable
for children, but inexcusable for adults. Hence my admonishment to
Americans in general to "grow up". Such childish perspective is
becoming the rule, rather than the exception. That there is no Santa
Claus is apparently missed by wayyy to many.

Rant to continue later :~)

Dave, I consider you an ally, not an adversary in this topic. If my
take was fuzzy (duh!), my apologies.




Well, Staten, then you are pretty incompetent at using a news reader as
I didn't write anything included above. And I'm also smart enough not
to top post.


Matt