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chino california (CNO) the ILS on 26R is 4858 ft.
my wife took pictures all the way down the glideslope a few months ago, there was no clouds that day, just some ground fog. http://www.turboarrow3.com/newplane/chino/index.html Michael wrote: "Richard Kaplan" wrote What speed do you use to fly the ILS if asked to "keep your speed up"? These are different situations. If you're asked to keep your speed up, it's generally because you're landing at an air carrier airport. That means only minimal tailwinds (if any) and very long runways. You can float and float and float and land 5000+ ft down the runway and it's still fine. Being able to fly an ILS fast is an important skill, but it's not the ONLY important skill. ILS runways are usually 5,000 feet or longer. You could dissipate speed over the runway. It's true that ILS runways with a total length of less than 5000 ft are pretty rare - at least I've never seen one. However, the ILS and (typically available) visual glideslope aid will not put you on the numbers. Having an available landing distance of less than 5000 ft is actually pretty common. Unfortunately, this typically happens at airports served by only one ILS. If the weather is low enough to need an ILS, it may require a tailwind landing. At such a place you will not be asked to keep your speed up (unless the controller really screwed up). On the other hand, if you're a bit fast on the ILS and a bit slow to retard the throttle, you do risk overrunning the runway. This brings us to another interesting problem. When visibilities are less than a mile, especially at night, the visual cues available are not really sufficient for precise control of the airplane. The visual segment must be flown with at least some reference to instruments. This is not something that is normally taught, and it's not really something you can effectively practice in blue sky conditions. I suspect that most of the pilots having trouble slowing down would have done fine in good VMC flying under the hood. I personally like to take an advanced instrument student to an airport served by only one ILS when that approach is downwind, preferably in low vis, at night, or both. This quickly reveals any lingering technique issues, and lets us work them out in an environment that won't cover them up. Once he can handle landing out of an ILS at night with a 10 kt tailwind, he can pretty much handle any straight in visual segment. I suspect if you cross the runway threshold right on the glideslope at 90 knots in a Skyhawk with a 5,000 foot runway, there is no way you could overrun the runway if you tried. I suspect you're right - as long as there is really 5000 ft of landing distance available and no significant tailwind. However, lately I'm seeing a lot of people flying the ILS at 100+ kts in Cherokees and Skyhawks. I find this fascinating since it's faster than I fly the ILS in my twin, unless I am specifically instructed to keep my speed up. Michael |
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