A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Instrument Flight Rules
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Unclear Clearance



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #11  
Old November 28th 05, 06:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Unclear Clearance

* Ron Rosenfeld :
Hm... interesting. "optimum rate consistent with the operating
characteristics of the aircraft". This is fuzzy.


Nothing wrong with giving the pilot discretion over the rate of descent.
However, there is a requirement to notify ATC if climb/descent rates will
be less than 500 fpm.


OK, that makes sense. Never heard of that requirement yet, thanks for
that. Will check our regulations here about comparable requirements.

You seem to be defining "optimum" as equivalent to "economic". I see no
such implication in the US.


Well, what other interpretations of "optimum rate of descend" would
you have in mind? If they didn't have anything specific in mind, they
could have written "any rate consistent with the operating
characteristics". Which would be kinda superfluous as you should never
climb/descend with a rate not being consistent with the operating
characteristics.

My definition of "optimum rate of descend" without further reference to
the parameters for determination of optimality would be something along
the lines of "the minimum rate of descend required to reach a destination
altitude complying to all altitude and speed restrictions as well as
maintaining target speed". This rate is of course a function of time,
with the result being roughly what FMS computes for VNAV as well. :-)

Well, Europe has to handle a lot fewer aircraft than does US ATC. So
maybe hat's why they need more regulations. But wait, you stated that
this is an "unwritten rule". So it's not a regulation, but merely an
expectation.


Yep. But compliance with that is quite universally as far as I'm told by
controllers. :-)

The AIM is available on line. Look at www.faa.gov for the publications.
It is not regulatory, but its procedures are generally followed.


Thanks!


Best regards,
Daniel
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
No SID in clearance, fly it anyway? Roy Smith Instrument Flight Rules 195 November 28th 05 10:06 PM
Taxi Clearance Ron Rosenfeld Instrument Flight Rules 27 September 29th 05 01:57 PM
Clearance: Direct to airport with /U Judah Instrument Flight Rules 8 February 27th 04 06:02 PM
Q about lost comms on weird clearance Paul Tomblin Instrument Flight Rules 34 February 2nd 04 09:11 PM
Picking up a Clearance Airborne Brad Z Instrument Flight Rules 30 August 29th 03 01:31 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.