getting to Long Island (KISP) IFR from Michigan

Agree with all of Peter's recommendations. A couple of additions. I've been
getting 6000 ft. as per the expected altitudes on the Pawling Two Arrival.
If you take the southerly route, then you may get a clearance over
Robbinsville (RBV) VOR then vectors to JFK then direct. I'm basing this on a
clearance I received from KUKT (Quakertown, PA) a while back. Another
possibility to both of these would be ALB TRESA CMK BDR direct.

Your altitude over the Long Island Sound will most likely depend upon the
KLGA arrival patterns that sometimes go over that area. I don't know enough
about it to give specifics. Actually, the arrival patterns for the three
Class B airports pretty much drive what clearance you will get and therefore
make them harder to predict. I remember someone posting a while back that
they called the NY TRACON for routing advice and was told something to the
same effect.

I'd file the more direct southerly route and brief myself on the Pawling Two
Arrival just to be ready. In the meantime, monitor FlightAware to see actual
routes into the area. NY arrivals are like a box of chocolate...

Safe flying,

Marco Leon

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
AaronK wrote:

I'm wondering what kind of routing I'm likely to get around NYC. Coming
from Michigan I have a choice of Canada to Buffalo and down, or to
Toledo
Ohio and then east. A friend said I should file to Pawling VOR, then
basically the LOVES2 arrival route, because I will likely get that
anyway.

The two times I flew from Buffalo, NY, to Farmingdale airport on the
island
that route was more or less the route I received. Pawling, then over
Connecticut near Bridgeport and south over the Long Island Sound.

But when I do a Duats or Aeroplanner low altitude auto-route I get:

Starting from Toledo (KTOL) I get a route around south of Manhattan
(SBJ,
EMPYR, NANCY, PROUD, JFK, DPK KISP)

You can certainly try to file this. Coming from Islip back to upstate NY
one time I received direct JFK, then northwest over Manhattan and on up.
It was a very scenic flight, as the sun was down and it was evening rush
hour down below.

1. anyone have experience at various altitudes (under FL120) from the
west
to KISP area?

NY will most likely begin bringing you down from whatever altitude at
which
you are cruising to around 4,000 feet or lower after Pawling. This can be
a problem for you, however, given the fact that you will be crossing the
Long Island Sound. I have requested to remain as high as ATC could allow
while crossing, using the excuse that I am a single engine without
flotation gear. Both times I did this I was allowed to remain at 5,000
until reaching Long Island.

2. can you get flight following and get to ISP VFR? What would be the
best
route and altitude for that? (with no ice protection, I might need VFR
for
altitude at my own discretion)

Sure you could. If you stay to the north and out of class B airspace, you
should be able to cruise at an altitude of your choosing. What altitude?
The higher the better when crossing the Sound, IMO.

Be extra vigilant when scanning for traffic (VFR or in VMC when IFR), as
there are a lot of airplanes over a relatively small area near NY. Don't
be comforted by being IFR. I have personally encountered an aircraft
crossing just below me when approaching Teterboro that apparently didn't
have his transponder on (no traffic call by ATC and it did not appear on
my
TIS). My aviation mentor told me a similar story when he was flying an
MU-2 on approach into Teterboro.

--
Peter



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