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Roy Smith wrote:
In article m, "Richard Kaplan" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message .com... I"m not sure how far back you're going. My IFR PTS is pretty old but still includes a table of things required for a PC. I think that a lot of CFIIs just didn't know what an IPC was. The difference is that the prior PTS versions did not state that all the IPC items in the table are required for an IPC; thus a reasonable interpretation has been that 61.57(d) givet a CFII the discretion to choose among those items. The newest PTS now explicitly states that all IPC items in the table must be included in an IPC. I seem to remember there used to be wording to the effect that an ICC/IPC needed to include a "representative sample" of the PTS checkride tasks. I can't remember if that was in the PTS itself or part 61/91 somewhere. Or maybe it's just a faulty memory circuit? That being said, I'm about to give my first IPC in an plane with an approach certified GPS. I spent some time re-reading the PTS to make sure my plan is up to snuff, and here's what I came up with for the flight portion: ------------ Two flight legs, each with full route clearance on ground, flight to another airport, at least one approach, and full stop landing. One leg done with NAV radio only, another with GPS. VOR leg will include airway intercept and tracking, partial panel VOR approach, p/p missed, and p/p hold. Partial panel unusual attitudes. Full panel ILS to a full stop. GPS leg will include programming flight plan, constant airspeed and rate climbs and descents, in-flight reroute, GPS approach, full procedure, circle-to-land to a full stop. ------------ The rest of the PTS material will be covered in the oral. The bizarre thing is that, AFAICT, the PTS lets me have the guy do a VOR, LOC, and ILS, and never touch the GPS once. Given that all our club planes are now equipped with approach-certified GPS, I just can't see doing that. The hard question is where to draw the line. If I require a GPS approach at all, the PTS would be perfectly happy to have us punch in Direct Destination and get vectors to the approach. But that only exercises a miniscule portion of what you really need to know to fly IFR with the box. I think the selection of GPS tasks listed above is a reasonable compromise, but it still leaves a lot untouched. I guess at some point you need to trust the checkee's PIC judgement to practice on his own and not attempt things in IMC that are beyond his abilities. Based on my flight yesterday, depending on which GPS you have, I'd want to see the approach with the IAF being the fix in the middle of the "T", and I'd want to see the MAP flown as well rather than a full stop landing. The reason being that, at least with the King 89B radio, there are a couple of things that come into play in these two circumstances. If you fly to one of the fixes at the ends of the "T", you don't fly the PT for reversal an thus can fly the approach in leg mode. This is very straightforward. However, to fly a course reversal you must enter OBS mode prior to arriving at the IAF. If you don't, it gets very confusing. Same with flying the missed. The 89B stops autosequencing at the MAP and you have to manually select the fix that defines the hold. These are both easy to overlook in the heat of battle. :-) Matt |
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