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Jordan wrote:
Andrew Venor wrote: Ignoring inconvenient facts like the eighteen years of Syrian artillery raining down from the Golan Heights on Israeli civilians just because it doesn't fit your anti-Semitic view of the world tells us all we need to know about what kind of person you are. Oh, no, Matt doesn't _ignore_ it. He _celebrates_ it. I recited the only reason Moshe Dayan gave for it. That Izziehuggers find the truth inconvenient does not make the truth antisemitic. Dayan considered one of the two greatest mistakes of his career. He believes that Israel is so inherently illegitimate as a nation that any and all Arabs have the right to kill Israelis whenever they want to, for no provocation other than Israel's own existence. I have never said that. I have said Palestinians have ever right to reclaim their private property and resist military occupation by any means available. I have said other nations have every right to assist the Palestinians in their fight for justice as the US has assisted so many other peoples in their fight for justice and to end foreign occupation. He's said so explicitly, more than once. Again you lie about what I have said. You always do. And when challenged you can never produce any post of mine which supports what you claim I have said. And the reason you never produce any post of mine is that I always give the legal basis for what I have said. To date NO ONE has even bothered to try to challenge the legal basis for what I say. Why do not you be the first? The thing that we should all be aware of is that this is _also_ the official POV of pretty much every Arab country, even the so-called "moderate" ones. It's what they teach in their schools, it's what they grow up believing, and it's why Israel has to retain its defenses and eschew liberal goodwill in its foreign policy if Israel is to survive. Does a nation of war criminals have a right to survive? Or must the world demand it cease its criminal activities as a condition of survival? The occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Syrian Heights are criminal as are all the citizens of Israel who live there, have lived there or who support the occupation in any way such as with tax money. -- There are two kinds of Europeans. Those who accept the holy holocaust and those who are in prison. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3659 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml antisemitism http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ a1 |
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