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On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:24:00 GMT, Jose
wrote: A flight plan is an expression of intention to fly. Obviously you are being difficult. "Flying on an IFR flight plan" implies either uncontrolled airspace, or a clearance. The former is an invitation to an FAA hearing. The latter implies ATC coordination. Guess which one I'm referring to. If you are intending to fly in uncontrolled airspace you will not get ATC services. You might be flying in IMC, but you provide your own separation. Whether or not you have ATC involved has NO RELATION to whether or not a flight plan is filed. A flight plan is an expression of an intent to fly. It is filed, whether IFR or VFR with a Flight Service Station, which has no control authority. Don't mix flight plans with ATC clearances. When the flight launches, ATC then provides services. Exactly. Did you miss the part where I said ALL MILITARY FLIGHTS ARE OPERATING ON FLIGHT PLANS AND IFR? No. But you seem to be dodging the issue by hiding behind stuff like "A flight plan is an expression of intention to fly." Did you miss the part where you yourself said "Training time along an MTR, within a MOA, in restricted airspace, or on a range is usually done without ATC involvement."? The IFR I am familiar with always has ATC involvement. And you seem to have snipped the part where I spelled out a typical training sortie on an IFR flight plan. Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you didn't understand it. Maybe you are simply being difficult. Let me repeat--upon reaching the training airspace, the flight is dropped from ATC control and exercises a delay enroute. They are still on an IFR flight plan and will resume ATC control after completion of their delay period. And, since you have apparent comprehension issues, let me repeat what I pointed out above: A flight plan is an expression of an intent to fly. It is filed, whether IFR or VFR with a Flight Service Station, which has no control authority. Don't mix flight plans with ATC clearances. Are you on an ATC clearance at that point? Are you on an ATC clearance in an MTR (IR or VR)? ...they operate together and the sky does not seem to be raining airplanes. And, the military is NOT "blaming anybody who happens to be in the way for the MAC." Who was responsible for the MAC where the cessna, while attempting to turn away, was speared by an F-something at 350 knots or so? The investigation determines who is responsible. There was an investigation. It was conducted in great detail. Mr. Dighera is unwilling to accept the outcome of the investigation. I am unwilling to accept the outcome of the OJ trial. The Cessna could be responsible even if turning away. In the case under discussion, the investigation indicated that the Cessna was not responsible. Merely because an airplane is involved in a mid-air with a faster aircraft is not prima facie evidence that it was the faster aircraft's fault. Yes, one example, but an egregious one in my book, and one you seem to be defending. Ever been on an airliner? Ever flown a bug smasher? Yes. But, that doesn't relate to the example I gave (creative snipping on your part again.) You imply some sort of invisibility of aircraft operating at 400 knots and I pointed out how easy it is to see them in a circumstance that you were likely to encounter. Jose Do you have an aeronautical rating? How many hours have you accrued? Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com |
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