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There are several factual inacuracies in this post, as noted below:
Yuliy Gerchikov wrote: "Doug Haluza" wrote in message oups.com... As far as changing the rules, the sunset rule has been on the books for longer than almost anyone can remember. Doug, I think you know very well which rules I refer to -- and those are not FARs. OLC has been designed and introduced as an open forum for the pilots worldwide to share and compare flight traces online. Their rules specifically said that they did not intend to police submitted traces for airspace violations, etc. *That* is what has changed since SSA took over. Actually, the OLC rules say they reserve the right to take action against the pilot for airspace violations, if they become aware of it. I have confirmed with the OLC International team that they do not wish to sanction flights that the national OLC team does not wish to sanction. If you insist on quoting the rules, their rules, in particular, say (in the most current version dated 7/13/2006 available at http://www2.onlinecontest.org/regeln/2006/regeln.php): "10. Validation. Flights and scores will be accepted if no objections have been filed against them within 4 weeks after the corresponding weekly deadline". Why have some scored flights much older than that been quietly disappearing lately? *That* is what has changed since SSA took over. The flights that have quietly disappeared were withdrawn voluntarily by the pilots, once the problems were pointed out to them in private. Most pilots have been quite reasoanble and decided to do the right thing. Only two pilots have refused, and taken their position public on r.a.s. Another example, from your own presentation: "SSA has exclusive rights to OLC in US -- SSA Membership is now required." Makes me go Hmmm.... *That* is what has changed since SSA took over. The SSA did not make this [FAR] rule, they just decided not to ignore it. Exactly, they *just* decided. Just like that. They *just* decided to go back and check some of the flights for some of the violations and pull them. No, the SSA has been checking since the beginning of the year, and reporting to the SSA ExCom at their request. We did find one flight early in the season that appeared to land too late in SeeYou, but not when checked against the USNO, so no action was taken. We did not become aware of any other cases until recently. No flights have been "pulled" but flights that have received formal complaints that appear to be valid have had the scores temporarily set to "null" and a note added in the offiicial comments to avoid duplicate complaints. If it is indeed true that "the [SSA] Board has directed [you] to look at Sunset and Class-A", then, again, one has to wonder what rules will be pulled out of the hat (or out of the FAR) tomorrow. I gave you some ideas yesterday -- anybody on the Board listens? Posting to r.a.s is not the proper way to put business before the Board. The aspect of it that strikes me most is that SSA came uninvited and took over this great public resource, this open forum for pilots, and started telling everybody what can and what can't be posted there -- and by whom. SSA was invited by the OLC organizers to sanction the OLC-US which was renamed the SSA-OLC. The two parties executed a formal Memorandum of Understanding on July 7, 2005. SSA has not restricted who can post (but only members will be elligible for awards). SSA has taken the position that flights above 18,000' without a proper ATC clearance, or flights after sunset without approved lighting should not be posted because it could damage the SSA's working relationship with the FAA (and is also unsporting conduct). Here is an idea for you: why doesn't SSA take over the US part of rec.aviation.soaring as well? You could make another presentation and tell us that "SSA has exclusive rights to r.a.s. in US -- SSA Membership is now required." While you are at it, why not put a big SSA banner with commercial ads right on top of every posting. And then somebody on "the Board" could decide that some things posted here are "damaging to the image of our sport", and next thing we know is some appointed "SSA-r.a.s. Admin" telling us "you must remove these postings from the r.a.s. because they make us look bad as a group". This kind of things can be done to the Internet, you know -- just look at China. I'd like to send this new SSA-OLC dish back to the kitchen, and have my OLC the old way, the way we grew to like it. SSA on the side, if you insist, please, thank you. So that I can throw it away if I am being fed too much of it to my taste. -- Yuliy |
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