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"Brad" writes:
Everett M. Greene wrote: The ongoing "discussion" of the LEX accident reminds me of an incident I experienced many years ago of potential pilot error. I was a passenger on commercial flight on a smaller airplane (make and model not recalled but it was twin-engine turboprop). As we were making the approach to land, I could see out the windshield and noticed that we were overshooting the field on final. Other observations indicated that whoever was doing the piloting wasn't very good at it in the sense of at least being lightly experienced. A question I pondered at the time and since is whether I should have hollered at the flight crew to correct the descent path or go around. One doesn't want to panic the other passengers needlessly but one also doesn't want to quietly be one the first to arrive at the crash scene either. Having flown in the back of plenty small Part 121 commuter turboprops without cabin doors, I must say that it is still very difficult to see much of anything from the back, let alone how well the aircraft was lined up on centerline or whether the aircraft was goinjg to land on the first third of the runway. How did you evaluate the experience level of the flying pilot? Which pilot was the flying pilot? Are you qualified to evauate the skill level and adherance to company regs of other airmen? Are you familiar with the performance of the aircraft in question? How many hours have you logged in it? Did you have a good view of the instruments including airspeed vertical speed and angle of attack? Where you monitoring radio communications to rule out any unusual instructions from ATC such as speed or side step instructions? I can eliminate some of your concerns/questions. No ATC input at an uncontrolled airfield. No other traffic at the time (or much of any other time either). It's not difficult to detect the pilot being less experienced -- I contrast the approach in this case from one I experienced in DEN on a Frontier 737 where everything was set on base leg and the pilot never made any adjustments until touchdown. As for telling the centering and touchdown point, I was looking straight down the runway and flying 101 says that the point that is not moving in your FOV is your touchdown point. If the stationary point is past the far end of the runway, things are not going well. Basically, if you were PIC of an aircraft with a two person crew, what would you think of some guy shouting unintelligible commands from the back? Helpful passenger or deranged terrorist? Would you even hear him over your headsets and noise? It's quiet on approach. This happened enough years ago that nobody had heard of terrorists and deranged passengers. Like others have said, there's a time to be PIC, and a time to be a pax. As a paying passenger, you place faith in the crew. If you have concerns, raise them after the flight. Do not distract the crew during the flight. Your example was clearly a time to be a pax. Relating this to the Lexington incident, even if you could tell which runway they were lining up for, and knew the performance limitations of the plane in relation to the runway in question, I don't think there would be any reasonable way to convey this information to the flight crew in time to be meaningful. For the person who asked, the approach was finally aborted and we went around for another try. The second approach was much better. |
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