Chicago area from the southwest - advice?

: As to departures.....

: Anybody know the secret from departing the chicago area to the
: south/southwest? Departing from PWK, I've either been vectored almost
: to Iowa and then south, or around Midway to the south, and then brought
: back on course. In addition I was told this last time when picking up
: my clearance (with a filed 4000 for strong southwest windws at
: altitude) that they want you to fly 8000 with the palwaukee two
: departure. I've usually been able to negotiate lower, but my
: "negotiations" only seem to last till I get handed off to another
: sector. As far away as I was from ORD and MDW you'd think lower but
: still above the MVA would be better for them, but ATC system design is
: still black magic for me.

: If this last departure had been closer to VFR conditions, I'd have
: probably departed VFR, to pick up my clearance further down the
: road.... Maybe next time.

It seems pretty much SOP that in a spam-can flying IFR anywhere near the Chicago Bravo that you will almost
*always* be vectored almost to Iowa (Well, at least Beloit and Rockford, IL).

-Cory

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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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