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Paul kgyy wrote:
When flying IFR with jet aircraft, the pilot has little discretion unless specifically given by ATC. Jets are given pilot discretion clearance whenever possible. It is not a rare event. A usual transmission is, United xxx, descend to 15000, and that's what you do. On rare occasion, it may be a little looser, United xxx descent at pilot's discretion, cross intersection xyz at 15000. You have that a bit wrong. If a crossing restriction is included a pilot's discretion descent is implied. AIM Reference: If the altitude information of an ATC DESCENT clearance includes a provision to “CROSS (fix) AT” or “AT OR ABOVE/BELOW (altitude),” the manner in which the descent is executed to comply with the crossing altitude is at the pilot’s discretion. This authorization to descend at pilot’s discretion is only applicable to that portion of the flight to which the crossing altitude restriction applies, and the pilot is expected to comply with the crossing altitude as a provision of the clearance. Any other clearance in which pilot execution is optional will so state “AT PILOT’S DISCRETION.” If you want a better feel for what actually goes on than you will ever get via newsgroup, take a couple of United flights and listen to the ATC channel - it can be much more entertaining than the movie at times. If someone has to ride United Airlines to learn about ATC transmissions, the pain isn't worth the gain. |
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