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Jim,
When were you at Spartan? I used to teach at Ross down on Riverside and Spartan was the only other real school there at the time. I busted my II oral at TUL FSDO because I didn't know what a High Altitude Teardrop Penetration approach was. There was a pub'd one for TUL at the time - the old F100s used it. The inspectors reasoning was that I could hop in the right seat of a Citation and give instrument training and that aircraft was capable of executing the approach. I reasoned he was just ****ed off and having a bad day. One of my previous CFI students had swallowed a valve on takeoff with him about two weeks earlier. -- Jim Carter Rogers, Arkansas "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... I would agree on that, organization. When I was training at Spartan [Tulsa] for my CFI ratings, the "word" was that the FSDO was very tough on CFII applicants. I showed up with my own, name embossed Jep bag with a full set of IFR charts and the J-AID. After a few questions, maybe an hour or so, we went flying. But students who showed up with the school supplied charts were being grilled half a day or even longer, because the inspectors wanted to know that the student really knew the material. It did not hurt that I usually began an answer to a question with, "That's FAR 91.85, paragraph 2, ..." "Roger" wrote in message ... | On 2 Feb 2007 09:36:48 -0800, "Robert M. Gary" | wrote: | | On Feb 1, 10:37 pm, "Jim Macklin" | wrote: | Know how to interpret the material from on-line sources. | The key is, can you draw a crude picture of the weather | [verbally or with a pencil] and then apply that to the FAR | as to whether the weather, currently and forecast, will | allow the operation. | | Partly, but every DE I've ever worked with required the applicant to | show up with the classic charts and exhibit knowledge of the symbols | (i.e. carry a secret decoder ring). Once rated, few pilots every use | these old style charts. | | They didn't even have me look at weather charts or even the old style | codes and this was a few years back. Of course the weather was so bad | it bout beat the snot out of me flying up there to take the test. I | told him I almost canceled, but decided to head up and see "how it | went". He asked me about the forecast and if it was deteriorating, | getting better or as forecast. I also had everything he asked for, in | a note book and _in_order_. After he asked for the second document and | I just flipped a page, he said, "let me see that". Looked through it, | asked me a few questions on weather, flight planning, aircraft | performance, and a few other things I've now forgotten and he sent me | out to preflight the Deb. | | It's been a while, but "as I recall" the whole oral part of the exam | was on the order of a half hour, give or take a bit. Thing is, being | *thoroughly* organized at least made it look like I knew what I was | doing. :-)) He told me later that he usually expects to take at least | twice as long on that part and it was rare to have any one come in | with the *stuff* in a binder, let alone organized. | | Most of it was done as casual conversation, but I knew what he was | after with each question. If I didn't know the answer I was able to | tell him right where it was and could find it in the FARs or AIM. | When it came to the requirements to be able to drop below DH on an ILS | I proudly rattled them right off only to be greeted by a blank stare | as if he were waiting for something. Then he said, there's one more. | I went through them three times but always came up short. Finally I | looked at him, held out my hand and asked if "I could use the book". | :-)) | | The conversation seems casual, but make a mistake and you can expect | more questions on the same subject. Miss another one or two on the | same subject and you may spend quite a while covering that particular | segment and you WILL know (and remember) the answer afterwards, or the | test will be over. | | | -Robert, CFII | Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) | (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) | www.rogerhalstead.com |
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