Question for the real pilots

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Jose writes:

So I get my clearance in Cleveland for an IFR flight to JFK.
Amazingly, throughout the entire flight, there are no route changes.
At what point prior to hearing "cleared for the ILS..." have I
received a clearance =from= the ATC facility having jurisdiction over
the NY Bravo? Is it when I say to NY approach "N426RC, level at six
point five" and they say "6RC roger. NY altimeter 28.32"?

If you have IFR clearance to your destination, clearance into Bravo
airspaces is implied in this. If you have IFR clearance to an enroute
fix (rare these days), clearances into Bravo airspaces beyond that fix
are not implied.

Because I have heard from many sources that an IFR clearance counts.
I've heard from many sources that otherwise, you must hear the magic
words. I suspect that it is just us pilots being a little on the
"fearful of the FAA" side, and the FAA thinking that's just ducky.

An explicit clearance into Bravo airspace is always required if you
are VFR. If you are IFR, an explicit clearance is required only if you
do not already have any other IFR clearance that implies a Bravo
clearance (such as IFR clearance to your destination).

So, I'm looking for more than opinion, even if well founded. I'm
looking for cases, if there are any.

Why bother? Just request a clearance explicitly and you're safe.

how th e**** would you know you moron?


bertie