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Ed Rasimus posted:
No. At least as I recall, and posted. There were still F-102s deployed in '72 when I was back at Korat in the F-4. Danang and Udorn I believe. But, I've been wrong in the past.... I think you are mistaken, from reading Michel referencing the F-4s sitting alert at Udorn and flying CAPs on Laos/NVN border. Perhaps he missed this detail. According to Pete Stickney's post... The 64th FIS was inactivated in November '69, with the 509th FIS once again picking up the Don Muang det. Operations at Da Nang ended in ealy '70, and the Don Muang det was closed in late May. On 24 July, 1970, the 509th FIS was inactivated. The 82nd FIS, which had been at Naha AB, and had been supplying alert dets in Korea, inactivated in May, 71. So my question would be...what unit in 1972 since all the PACAF F-102s were history (so to speak). I suspect that you honestly don't know, but that may not alter your recollection (right or wrong). Realistically, the NVAF threat was small, yet, the need for an air defense response existed and it made more sense to deploy those specialized aircraft and retain the mission flexibility of other tactical jets that could also carry iron up N. Apparently only until Jul 70 for the 509th, and May of 71 for the 82d. Regarding my reference to CHECO reports... I'm always bothered by the "historians" and "statisticians" who quote from CHECO and Red Baron reports. Hmmm, imagine folks like myself actually believing the contemporaneous reporting of tactics, trends, and analysis by the likes of Robert Futrell and Warren Thompson. I am certainly a skeptical asshole, looking for mutiple sources. In a few years this crap will go unrefuted, but while a few crusty *******s are still alive, we'll throw a bull-**** flag occasionally. Fair enough...you tossed out the F-102s still in SEA in 1972. That may well proved to be a bull-**** flag *or* simply bull-****. Does that mean we ignore you if you prove to be incorrect on this matter of fact? Not at all. The problem I found with oral history is the lack of contemporaneous documentation. If the IL-28s, parked at Gia Lam were a threat,... Which would support the reason for having F-102s at TSN and Don Muang.. The air attack threat was more realistically from a MiG 17 or 21 with a pair of bombs making a quick dash in-country... Which explains the Det at Da Nang however long that lasted (1970 according to Stickney's research), and certainly not past Jul 72 when the 366th TFW moved to Thailand...and Udorn Det whenever it closed. Juvat |
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