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At 03:06 30 September 2007, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Dan G wrote: BTW, on the gust issue, there is another solution (though not nearly as elegant as the rotating TE probe) - accelerometers. I think I understand how accelerometers could distinguish between a horizontal gust and the vertically moving air in a thermal, but I don't understand how aligning the probe with the horizontal gust will reduce it's effect on the vario. Wouldn't that accentuate, rather than attenuate, the gust effect? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Not at all, at least not if it is the 2 or 3 way probe and this is why. It is first and foremost the static system that is particularly sensitive to gusting. When a horizontal gust hits the side of a plane, it creates positive pressure on one side of the static inputs (whether fuse or probe mounted), throwing the reading way out of whack. With the static on a rotating probe, it can align itself to always face directly into the wind and alleviate the big errors in static reading that horizontal gusts ( or other disturbances in yaw) create. It does not hurt to have the TE also rotate with it, and does not hurt to have the dynamic rotate as well (with rotating dynamic, a cup shaped Kiel tip is not required to maintain accuracy-less drag) but dynamic and TE are not as sensitive to misalignments in airflow as the static system is. This probe system will provide accurate readings during both slipping maneuvers (like if you mildly slip while thermalling ala Holighaus) as well as gusting incidents. BTW, the 'fancy' 2 way probe Dr Smolik sells is only 80 Euros, and the 3 way probe only 99. This video is the 3 way probe: http://youtube.com/watch?v=OpN9sYHF_yc , and this link shows drawings and prices for the whole line: http://www.eaglebrandproducts.com/TE...rices_2006.pdf I am only assuming here, but I would imagine these probes to be much cheaper than an accelerometer compensated computerized vario system (not to mention compatible with most anyone's current setup) but perhaps maybe not as effective in all situations. It is a simple and elegant aerodynamic solution to an old problem, that I'm sure will be seen on many more gliders in the near future. Again, I will share the data tables Ludek provides, once he sends them to me. Paul Hanson PS. I have no financial involvement with these probes, I just think they are very cool. PPS. there is a reason that NASA and most other flight test groups use static/dynamic (they don't mess with TE) probes that rotate (in 2 axis) to keep readings accurate while evaluating aircraft. |
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