French planes are crap

"Matt" wrote in message ...
Just the standard 'blah blah America superior to the rest of the world in
absolutely every respect blah blah" Al post.

The Rafale is a nice aircraft, and excellent value when you take it's weapon
systems - MICA, SCALP-EG, etc - into account. The Republic of Korea's Air
Force wanted the Rafale with uprated engines, but since the US offered the
F-15K with economic offsets that actually outweigh the price of the contract
(i..e. they essentially payed the Koreans to take it), they went for that
instead. Suprise!

The F-15K is a very nice aircraft, but the base airframe is getting on in
years.

Matt

"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Alan Minyard wrote in message
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On 2 Nov 2003 02:39:53 -0800, (robert arndt) wrote:

(Tom R. Rastell) wrote in message
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because the French are frogs and frogs can´t fly!


Oh really? Then please explain why Americans were flying French a/c in
WW1. Ever heard of the Lafayette Escadrille? Nieuport or Spad ring any
bells? Moron.

Rob

Let's see, 85 years ago some US pilots flew French aircraft, so current
French
aircraft must be wonderful. Really strange logic at work there.

Current French aircraft, while not exactly "crap", are not state of the
art and
are clearly inferior to their US counterparts.

Al Minyard

Funny how the French had the Dewoitine D.520 and M.S.406 during the
first year of the war and how good they were. The M.S.406 while
inferior to the Me-109E still racked up 175 kills from 1939-40. The
D.520 OTOH was the best French fighter up until the surrender and was
certainly equal to the Spitfire and Me-109 of the time.
After WW2, the French sold many of their aircraft to the Israelis who
racked up more kills and got a lot of mileage out of the aircraft
against the Arabs: Ouragan, Mystere, Super Mystere, Vautour, and
Mirage.
Currently the French have the Mirage 2000 and Rafale, both very
capable aircraft.
You just don't like anything foreign Al.

Rob

while touring France i got to see a variety of different French combat
aircraft. some of the older ones were the Ouragan and Vautour.

i saw an Ouragan on display at the Abbeville Airfield. that aircraft
is always overlooked. it served with the French and Israeli air forces
as well as Indian Navy (as Toofani). in Israeli service it attacked
the Egyptian 1st Armored Division in Sinai and disabled the Egyptian
destroyer Ibrahim el Awal which was captured by the Israeli Navy. in
the 1980s Israel supplied El Salvador with 18 Ouragans for operations
against leftist guerillas.

i also saw a S.O.4050 Vautour at the Aerienne base at Reims on display
outside. the Vautour also served with the Israeli air force as a
bomber and ECM aircraft. the Vautour served in the Six Day war and
destroyed 309 aircraft on the ground including Tu-16 bombers. they
also harassed arab tank formations.

while not a fan of French aircraft i can still appreciate the
successful aircraft they built.

it will be interesting to see if the new Rafale will see combat in the
future.

Jason

if you've never been to France before you gotta go. despite the
anti-French stuff going around, a lot of Americans still travel there.
Paris is wonderful and the people are not as arrogant as we make them
out to be. if anything Americans are the really rude people when they
tour Europe. we don't take time to really plan a tour efficiently,
bring the right essentials, prepare for emergency situations, or
bother to learn the language of the countries we visit.
its not the fault of the French for loathing loud, arrogant Americans
who think they can do anything they want anywhere in the world.