Getting confused with ATC order...Violation?

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Dave Doe writes:

Pretend, being the operative word.

Pretending is extremely important to using simulators successfully. If you
cannot pretend--if you cannot suspend disbelief--you cannot really profit from
the simulator. Conversely, if you can do these things, using a simulator can
be extremely useful experience.

Only kids have plausable dualistic minds. Perhaps that's you. The rest
of us have grown up.

It's a function of intelligence more than age. The ability to adopt a
different viewpoint and voluntarily and selectively disregard aspects of
reality or fantasy at will is very closely correlated with intelligence, as it
requires considerable cognitive capacity. Animals have less intelligence and
virtually no imaginations, for example, and thus could never make much use of
simulators.

Enhanced, being the operative word there.

Yes.

It's not reality, and you *cannot* escape that.

Well, yes, you can. That's the whole idea. I've already explained the
principle above.

No what you explained is *my* argument - not yours. But thanks anyway.

You explaind that pretending reality, and that imagination
reality. (My points).

*Imagining* crossing a busy road may well be beneficial to your
survival. But it is *NOT* reality - the mind cannot percieve of all the
possiblities - there are too many variables and it is possible you may
not imagine the one possibility that ends up killing you. (How many
times have you crossed a one way street and NOT looked the other way -
because many people do just that and take it for granted). Which also
has advantages too - it is not good to imagine some situations for *too*
long - you may make a decision that is too late.

The short of it is, flying a sim is so far removed from the experience
of the real thing, that pilots are still required (thank fuk) to fly the
real thing when training.

This DOES apply to ATC comms too. Being on your sim (as you've never
flown the real thing) your mind *CANNOT* imagine what it would really be
like, you can only assume and guess and imagine.

Have you simulated (or even imagined) smoke coming out the heater vents?
Does your simulator simulate that?

What about a low setting sun, does it really dazzle you? Do you use the
visor much in the simulator?

Have you simulated dropping a cellphone on the floor and it bounces down
by the rudder pedals somewhere? (Would you consider that to be a
potential problem?)

Simulator:
a device, instrument, or piece of equipment designed to reproduce the
essential features of something, e.g. as an aid to study or training.




It most certainly is not!

Because you say so? ATC is extremely easy to simulate realistically compared
to other aspects of flying.

By itself, yes. However (and surely you can imagine this), to properly
gain a picture of, for example and in context of this discussion, an ATC
comms failure/breakdown, you need to imagine what could happen in
reality. I can think of many examples. You can't. And until you fly
the real thing you never will (you're just guessing).

You fly a sim and yet are unable to "put yourself in the seat" - that's
counter to your argument in the first place. (It's a sim, and you're
telling me you can't simulate it - pathetic really).

I can put myself wherever I see fit in simulation, sometimes with varying
success (depending on the desired viewpoint and the type of simulation).
There are some aspects that I find more attractive and enjoyable than others.
An advantage of simulation is that I have a choice.

So not taking up my challenge, even though you don't *really* have to
get your wallet out, or drive to the field, or even do pre-take-off
checks - you could actually setup the sim in about ONE MINUTE. OK.

Anyway, doesn't sound anything like real flying to me. eg. you say
"varying success". Well... you crash a plane in *real life* - you don't
walk away from it (very few do). I would put it do you that if you knew
you were going to crash (and very probably die) you'd be feeling very
differently to the same situation in the simulator. Your not *really*
scared, you're not *really* thinking I have just four more seconds
before I go in; more you're probably resigned to that fate and thinking
well I buggered that up, oh well... RESET.

But hey you say you can accurately simulate and imagine reality. OK,
question then, have you *ever* crashed a plane in the simulator? (sounds
like you have).

If so - why?, how? - you're DEAD! - how you could have let that EVER
happen?

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Duncan