Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff

A Lieberman wrote:
On May 20, 9:55 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:

BOTH might be telling you something so
they should not be ignored.

Exactly my point. Especially the absense of an expected sensation
(see further down).

But BOTH are physical sensations and as such
are NEVER used as a source to make a control change while IFR.

Agree, and I never said to make a control change. I use it to VERIFY
an existing condition. If I am climbing, AI shows normal pitch up and
I feel positive G's life is good. If I add power to capture the glide
slope to to drive it level to capture it, needles move in the
directioin expected and I feel it in the seat of my pants, life is
good. The feeling is CONFIRMING the instrument trends, life is good.

If you feel a physical sensation while on instruments, it is indeed a
cue, but NOT an actionable cue. ALL sensations are simply there. You
NEVER act in ANY way on what ANY sensation is giving you in the way of a
cue.

And this is where I may digress a little, operative word is a little.
It's actionable in the sense of expanding your scan in determining why
something is not right. I am not saying make a control change based
on a sensation, but I am saying start looking elsewhere on your panel
to resolve the discrepancy between what you feel and what you see.

Using my example, pitch up AI, and not feeling G's made me look
elsewhere for discrepancies. If I would have followed the AI, first
instinct would have been push the nose over and rectify the AI WITHOUT
considering other instruments. It was the discrepancy of not feeling
the G's and showing a pitch up that made me ACT to further my scan to
the VSI and airspeed QUICKER then my normal scan process would have
taken. I made NO changes in my airplane configuration until I
furthered my scan to my secondary gauges

If the sensation is expected by something you have done control
wise that's fine.

THIS IS EXACTLY what I am saying. Based on control INPUTS, I should
have a corresponding feeling in the seat of my pants.

If it isn't, don't act on it. Your scan is in progress
at all times.

THIS IS EXACTLY what I am saying. If there is a discrepancy, need to
search further for what is going on, not act on sense.

You control the aircraft based on instrument cues ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agree, and what you feel should be what the instrument reads. If
climbing, feel some G's. The feeling CONFIRMS what the instruments
read, not the other way around. This is what I am trying to drive
home.

God.I hope this clears this up!

Hopefully what I say above clears it up. I really think we are on the
same page, just a matter of how I am wording it :-)

Mentally "looking for confirmation" or "expecting confirmation" from a
physical sensation and referencing physical sensation in any shape or
form to what the instruments are telling you in any way at all is an
extremely dangerous practice while IFR.

I can't honestly tell you from reading your posts that you and I are on
the same page at all. I can tell you that if you are relying on physical
sensation in any way whatsoever while on instruments, you and I are on
VERY different pages with this issue.
We all know physical sensation exists when on instruments. It is NOT
there to be used, for verification, or confirmation! It is there to be
understood and blocked out from any part of the instrument scan.
If you agree with this comment, we are in agreement. If you feel that
physical sensation can be used as a confirmation tool while in
instrument conditions, I'm afraid you and I simply have to part company
on this issue. In that case, I wish you the very best believe me, but
I'll bug you no more on this as I've been repeating the same mantra now
for about a dozen exchanges.
No hard feelings I hope, but I just don't seem to be sharing your
opinions on this issue.


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Dudley Henriques