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On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:19:57 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote: Stop religious persecution http://www.westernshugdensociety.org/ Every day, thousands and thousands of people around the world quietly practice the prayer of Dorje Shugden. Never having heard of this *Western Shugden Society* before, I did a little googling. It appears this outfit is sponsered by the Peoples Republic of China. Merely a tactic to try and tarnish the DL. Neither have I heard of the Shugdens before this article. The commies don't play this kind of game - sponsor religious factions. First of all Beijing wouldn't know how to manipulate religious kooks. Secondly such schemes will explode in any manipulator's face. Thirdly, the DL is not worth spending time or money on. The DL's power to influence China is strictly a figment of his Western sponsor's imagination. The DL certainly has no illusions. Beijing's talks with his representatives are handled at a pretty low administrative level. In the half century, or specifically the last 30 years when the DL switched tactics to claim that he no longer seeks independence, only the spiritual and cultural wellbeing of Tibetans, the DL will always derail the the talks by making Politically Incorrect (PC) comments like claiming that he represents 6 1/2 million Tibetans (it is 2 1/2 million)over the the territories where there are Tibetan communities. Thus the DL is claiming an empire that spreads into adjacent Chinese provinces that were never part of Tibet. This nuance will be missed by Western supporters most of whom have trouble even finding Tibet on the map. And the DL has a pretty good armory of just such PC stuff to pick from to play his game. I picked a Tibet website at random http://www.tibet.com/. I haven't read it in detail and neither will you. But do scan the contents under a few random titles anyway. They are practically all political claims. Now had the DL really wanted to return to Tibet the common sense thing to do would be to keep quiet on politics until the opportunity for a personal face to face with the Chinese President or some Politburo Member is secured first. This will be tacit recognition of his equal status at the highest political level. China isn't that dumb to fall for that kind of trick but these are the negotiating positions DL should be aiming for. An alternative maneuver would be to trick the Chinese into letting him visit Tibet itself. In the 30 years the DL has learned to play his game with exquisite finesse - not to ever personally get anywhere near the negotiation table and blame the Chinese for it. Pass around the collection plate please. The DL is going to make another tour to gullible rich white countries. It also appears this *sect* has been banned in the past, both the 5th and 13th DL's banned it. Apparently the prime argument is *it* is _too_ spiritual, thusly negating the Buddist side overly. Or words to that effect Well this Shugden sect is in England where the DL has no jurisdiction, and in Nepal the Nepalese get to make the rules who can and cannot do. The DL's goons have no business policing anything. What about religious freedom you and the DL claim to defend to your last dollar? Didn't I see a shaven headed white woman convert talking to our Guardian reporter? What's she to the DL as a religious threat that her type must be suppressed viciously? If the ban goes back to the 5th and 13th DLs then this is amazing new evidence that China's suzerainty over Tibet goes back before the 5th DL as certainly that relationship could not have started with the 5th. [It appears this outfit is sponsered by the Peoples Republic of China. you say] ps: how are those Galun Fong folk doing ? .....oh yeah and how is that Chinese Communist appointee to the Roman Catholic Church of China as it's new Bishop, making out ? Quite well thank you. Do send them a letter to get their first hand account of life in China. American and a number of rich white country church groups used to be all worked up about China's persecution of FLG practitioners. They fought for their exit from China and sponsored their resettlement in their church community. They even provided resettlement support (housing, money) and transition assistance (jobs, interpreters, navigating the bureaucracy, etc.) until they wised up to the fact they had been had by scheme for mature single Chinese women with little career prospects in China to get into the US (Australia and Canada), the short cut way complete with a red carpet welcome. For a time between the 80s into the 90s there were other creative schemes besides the FLG to get into the rich white countries. Political dissent (still a good one but very hard to establish),anti-communism and love for democracy always worked for a time, human rights, anti-one child policy, forced abortions, religious persecution and a few more I can't recall at the moment. Those too impatient or not clever enough to cook up a con took to rusty ship way across the Pacific. US public sentiment forced the US government to grant instant refugees status to those faux refugees from Chinese persecution. They all heve the same well rehersed sob story if the media reports are anything to go by. But even dumb Americans cannot remain dumb forever. Mid ocean interception by USN units, isolation in Guam, and of course stateless limbo, put a stop to that. 9-11 helped. These living breathing examples of persecuted Chinese whose epic struggles against heroic odds to make it out of oppressive China to the West have been around for 30 years now. Tens of housands had escaped from prison China and found refuge in rich white countries. Surely by now one would have expected heart rendering Puliter Prize stories to have been published, to have articulate spokesmen and women who could give voice to their (masses of persecuted Chinese) common experiences. What about those heroes of Tiananmen Square who made it to the West? Given that the 80s to 90s was the peak you are a kind of behind the times in the smarts index. You know what Jeff? You are such a nice guy so concerned about the welfare of the oppressed. There's something you can do after all. Sponsor a Tibetan from Tibet and educate him or her. That person then becomes a productive member able to function in a modern society. That person can help his or her fellow Tibetans better than you will ever hope to do. Go for it. cheers....Jeff Double cheers to you too. for mature single Chinese women with little career prospects in China to get into the US (Australia and Canada), the short cut way complete with a red carpet welcome. For a time between the 80s into the 90s there were other creative schemes besides the FLG to get into the rich white countries. Political dissent (still a good one but very hard to establish),anti-communism and love for democracy always worked for a time, human rights, anti-one child policy, forced abortions, religious persecution and a few more I can't recall at the moment. Those too impatient or not clever enough to cook up a con took to rusty ship way across the Pacific. US public sentiment forced the US government to grant instant refugees status to those faux refugees from Chinese persecution. They all heve the same well rehersed sob story if the media reports are anything to go by. But even dumb Americans cannot remain dumb forever. Mid ocean interception by USN units, isolation in Guam, and of course stateless limbo, put a stop to that. 9-11 helped. These living breathing examples of persecuted Chinese whose epic struggles against heroic odds to make it out of oppressive China to the West have been around for 30 years now. Tens of housands had escaped from prison China and found refuge in rich white countries. Surely by now one would have expected heart rendering Puliter Prize stories to have been published, to have articulate spokesmen and women who could give voice to their (masses of persecuted Chinese) common experiences. What about those heroes of Tiananmen Square who made it to the West? Given that the 80s to 90s was the peak you are a kind of behind the times in the smarts index. You know what Jeff? You are such a nice guy so concerned about the welfare of the oppressed. There's something you can do after all. Sponsor a Tibetan from Tibet and educate him or her. That person then becomes a productive member able to function in a modern society. That person can help his or her fellow Tibetans better than you will ever hope to do. Go for it. cheers....Jeff Double cheers to you too. |
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