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There is a large scale vortex dimer operating behind any aircraft, and
particularly behind high wing loading, heavy short winged things like Pawnees. Hmm, I'm of the understanding that we use Pawnees because they are so lightly wingloaded (relative to other tugs) and have such good power/ weight ratios when not full of bug juice and spray gear. I thought this is also what allows them to happily fly too slow for our tastes as well. While a Pawnee is perfectly content tugging at 55mph, I'm not. The wake we fly above in high tow is the turbulent propeller wake, but we would have to be impossibly high and/or far back to avoid the downward moving centre section of the dimer. I disagree, I think we are flying well clear of this phenomenon, at least in high tow. To me, the video you link illustrates just how far below and behind the a/c this is taking place. The C-5 flies over, and well past, and they even skip some time in the footage before the vorticies reach down where the smokers are, which really shows the downward trailing shape of this effect. It does not compute that you would be subject to this effect if you were level with it and not overly close behind (Isn't there a ratio of minimum rope length to wingspan that is used as a rule of thumb?) I saw a picture using smoke trails that demonstrates the scale and power of this some years back -http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/dictionary/Vortex.html Neat pic, (very neat actually...) but tells little in the way of what is happening to a glider on normal tow. A side shot, and one well clear of the ground would show us what we are actually looking for for this discussion, but this plane is in ground effect and the shot is from behind. All bets are off when the disturbed air can't escape below the flightpath where it wants to go... (and we are thus stuck flying in this disturbance, which I don't recall as being very disturbing either) Pretty pic, but somewhat useless as evidence for this debate, or at least for what I am describing, which is not the mechanics of towing while in ground effect but rather why gliders feel like they are on the verge of a stall while on tow despite being well above normal stall speeds. There is a more impressive video athttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy0hgG2pkUs&NR=1 So - given that you are flying in a field of air that has a significant downward component, maybe you do have a higher angle of attack on the wings. I think you are misinterpreting the photo/video and drawing incorrect conclusions form them. Intuition (dangerous in aerodynamics, I know..) tells me that if your vortex dimer was indeed striking the glider as you suggest, the downward moving air would actually serve to effectively decrease AoA since it would be striking the top of the wing and not the bottom. I still think we fly pretty clean air, above or below the really affected air, and are only suffering the butterffly effect of this phenomenon when not actually inside or right on the edge of the wake. Bottom line is that even in the smooth air above the propwash you are still in air affected by the tug. Affected? Sure. But my money is STILL on the pitching up of the nose due to the rope's pull as being the primary cause of the sensation of being on the verge of a stall while on tow, since the pull of the rope is causing the glider to be drug through the air at an unnaturally high AoA for any given airspeed, while at the same time drastically reducing elevator effectiveness from reduced airflow and the fact the nose is tethered. This increased AoA also greatly affects aileron performance as well, since they too are operating at higher AoA's for any given speed. As mentioned elsewhere here, flaps most certainly help this effect too, by pitching your nose back down some and thus reducing your AoA for whatever given speed the tug is pulling at. Unflapped, -Paul PS. the propwash to wingwash ratio should be pretty easy to figure out. The main wing has to support the entire a/c (couple thousand pounds) while the little spinning wing only needs to provide thrust. (couple hundred pounds?) Which do YOU think is dominating the scene? Unless there are tugs out there approaching 1:1 (thrust:weight) the main wing is the main show, and hence the main contributor of disturbed air. Ian, please do your power off tug test and please post to youtube! ![]() IS most certainly there, prop or not. |
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