Emergency Descents with ATC COMS - Video

On Aug 23, 9:51*pm, Mike Ash wrote:
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*BeechSundowner wrote:
On Aug 23, 10:02*am, "Peter Dohm" wrote:

*Besides,
in an actual emergency, "ya gotta do what ya gotta do" and being prepared
under non-emergency conditions is usually more than half the battle!

Exactly why I went out Peter, and it's not like I didn't try to do the
research before doing this
maneuver in the first place.

The intent of this lesson wasn't to learn or fly acro but to better
myself in
see and avoid situations. *Last time I did this was 2001 when I was in
VFR training
in a Cessna so why not bring myself up to speed in "currency" in my
own plane?

Let me just toss in my two cents in support of your position. Nothing I
saw in the video looked even remotely dangerous. I can't speak to the
regs, not being a lawyer, but IMO keeping your skills sharp outweighs
following every dotted i and crossed t.

Seems some pilots can't stomach the idea of doing anything out of the
ordinary. 30-degree banks and no more, please! Fly all approaches at
1.3Vso and touch down at exactly 1000ft beyond the threshold!

Now, I don't want to sound like I'm advocating doing dangerous things
just because they're interesting. Quite the contrary: ensuring the
safety of the maneuver should be the top goal. But there is nothing
AUTOMATICALLY unsafe about exceeding 60 degrees of bank, just like it's
not AUTOMATICALLY safe to do anything that stays within the bounds set
by the FARs and the POH.

In short: carry on, and keep posting those videos!

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
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As a matter of interest, I asked the intial question re bank and pitch
limits because those are associated with the airplane I fly. The OP's
first reply was that he was not aware of those limits for the
Sundowner, and later seemed to find they did not apply to his
airplane. That's fine, my question was answered. As for advocating
flying outside the limits airplanes are certified for, you do that at
your own risk -- and I submit it's not a smart thing to do. Look at
the g loading for very high banked coordinated turns sometime. I can
peg the gauge at 2500 fpm down with an aggressive slip and stay within
the certified envelope of the airplane, but that's at airspeeds well
below normal cruise speeds. For what it's worth, a non pilot px is
much happier with a 60 degree bank and the associated g's into the
seat than an aggressive slip with only 1 g, if that g's vector is to
the side of the airplane.

The only time we fly the Mooney at pitch and bank limits is when we
are doing under the hood unusual attitude recoveries. The Sundowner
jock can do one better and do spin recoveries under the hood (gotta
find a Sundowner around here, that would be fun to do).


As for collision avoidance, I'm the guy who tends to fly assigned
altitude less 50 feet to provide some automatic margin, but I have
never had to abruptly alter course to avoid another airplane in the in-
route environment. I have had to near airports and descent to avoid in
that environment is not a good option.

Go commit aviation, but do it safely.