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Beryl wrote: snip No downwash, no lift. No go learn something. Let's learn here. From you. Is that 90 degree turn *exactly* the same as a 180 degree turn that directs incoming air back in the opposite direction? Read this: "To determine [the angle represented by a greek letter in the original text], we observe that no downwash is generated when the wing generates no lift." I'm not disagreeing with that. I'll rephrase it, and say no circulation is generated. It is not even relevant. http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~cwoolsey/Cour...al/Aerodynamic Properties.pdf Read it over and over again until you get it. Get what? It's about wings and geometry. Find something about air moving through air. http://www.onemetre.net/Design/Downwash/Downwash.htm "The theory of downwash starts by noting that you only get downwash when you have lift.* No lift, no downwash." http://amasci.com/wing/airfoil.html ' The "Newton" explanation is wrong because downwash occurs BEHIND the wing, where it can have no effects? Downwash can't generate a lifting force? INCORRECT. Wrong, and silly as well! The above statement caught fire on the sci.physics newsgroup. Think for a moment: the exhaust from a rocket or a jet engine occurs BEHIND the engine. Does this mean that action/reaction does not apply to jets and rockets? Of course not. It's true that the exhaust stream doesn't directly push on the inner surface of a rocket engine. The lifting force in rockets is caused by acceleration of mass, and within the exhaust plume the mass is no longer accelerating. In rocket engines, the lifting force appears in the same place that the exhaust is given high velocity: where gases interact inside the engine. And with aircraft, the lifting force appears in the same place that the exhaust (the downwash) is given high downwards velocity. If a wing encounters some unmoving air, and the wing then throws the air downwards, the velocity of the air has been changed, and the wing will experience an upwards reaction force. At the same time, a downwash- flow is created. To calculate the lifting force of a rocket engine, we can look exclusively at the exhaust velocity and mass, but this doesn't mean that the rocket exhaust creates lift. It just means that the rocket exhaust is directly proportional to lift (since the exhaust velocity and the lifting force have a common origin.) The same is true with airplane wings and downwash. To have lift at high altitudes, we MUST have downwash, and if we double the downwash, we double the lifting force. But downwash doesn't cause lift, instead the wing's interaction with the air both creates a lifting force and gives the air a downwards velocity (by F=MA, don't you know!)' -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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