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You imply Sam that timing alone is how you determine the MAP. I say it's not. DME determines when you can go below MDA which would be at MAP not 3 minutes 12 seconds. SAY WHAT!!! Let's take a look at the definition of MDA: "A specified altitude referenced to sea level for a non-precision approach below which descent must not be made until the required visual reference to continue the approach to land has been established." It's pretty clear that we're not supposed to go below the published MDA on a non-precision approach, unless we can see enough to descend and land. The MAP has nothing to do with it except that we can't continue the approach to land after reaching the MAP. It seems to me that everyone is missing the main point about "DME Required" is that it is NOT required....normally, that is. Since The name of the proceedure does not include "DME" as in LOC/DME, timing is a perfectly acceptable method of determining the MAP for the LOC approach. In all cases where timing may not be used, the procedure must be annotated “timing not authorized for defining MAPt.” Note where "DME Required" does appear....in the note section about raising the minimum DA/MDA when the local altimeter setting is not available. I suspect that the answer to the OP's question is in here somewhere. Recommended reading http://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/l....aspx?id=17273 Some general copy and paste from the Instrument Flying Handbook.... APPROACH CHART NAMING CONVENTIONS Individual NACO charts are identified on both the top and the bottom of the page by their procedure name (based on the NAVAIDs required for the final approach), runway served, and airport location. APPROACH CHART NOTES The navigation equipment that is required to join and fly an instrument approach procedure is indicated by the title of the procedure and notes on the chart. Straight-in IAPs are identified by the navigation system by providing the final approach guidance and the runway with which the approach is aligned (for example, VOR RWY 13). Circling-only approaches are identified by the navigation system by providing final approach guidance and a letter (for example, VOR A). More than one navigation system separated by a slant indicates that more than one type of equipment must be used to execute the final approach (for example, VOR/DME RWY 31). More than one navigation system separated by the word “or” indicates either type of equipment can be used to execute the final approach (for example,VOR or GPS RWY 15). When radar or other equipment is required on portions of the procedure outside the final approach segment, including the missed approach, a note is charted in the notes box of the pilot briefing portion of the approach chart (for example, RADAR REQUIRED or DME REQUIRED). On some nonprecision approaches, the MAP is given as a fixed distance with an associated time from the FAF to the MAP based on the groundspeed of the aircraft. A table on the lower right hand side of the approach chart shows the distance in NM from the FAF to the MAP and the time it takes at specific groundspeeds, given in 30- knot increments. Pilots must determine the approximate groundspeed and time based on the approach speed and true airspeed of their aircraft and the current winds along the final approach course. A clock or stopwatch should be started at the FAF of an approach requiring this method. When a missed approach is executed prior to reaching the MAP, the pilot is required to continue along the final approach course, at an altitude above the DA, DH, or MDA, until reaching the MAP before making any turns. If a turn is initiated prior to the MAP, obstacle clearance is not guaranteed. Bob Moore ATP CFII PanAm (retired) |
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