Pilot Certificates

Bob Moore wrote:
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As a matter of minor interest, there's an interesting logic trap in
play here. I think it is safe to say all holders of the airline
transport rating also hold commercial certificates at least in the US.

As I have pointed out before, ATP is NOT a rating, it is a certificate
on its own. My ATP certificate has no mention of the word "Commercial"
on it anywhere. It is not safe to say that ALL holders of an Airline
Transport Pilot certificate also hold a Commercial Pilot certificate.
The ratings on my ATP certficate include "Airplane Single & Multiengine
Land, B-707 B-720 B-727 L-188" and that's all it states.

Um - in FAR 61.167 it states that "A person who holds an airline transport
pilot certificate is entitled to the same privileges as those afforded a
person who holds a commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating."

And FAR 61.153(d) states that a commercial certificate (or military
experience sufficient to qualify for a commercial certificate) and
instrument rating are necessary prerequisites for an ATP certificate.

So while an ATP certificate may be a distinct certificate from a Commercial
one, the rules are such that an ATP holder effectively also holds a
Commercial, even if the word "Commercial" doesn't appear on it. At least
according to current U.S. regulations.