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On 10/27/2010 11:16 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/27/2010 5:33 PM, Mike Schumann wrote: On 10/27/2010 3:48 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: On 10/27/2010 7:20 AM, wrote: in "awareness mode", of course a led will indicate where the closer glider is, but still alarms will only be triggered when a deviation makes the collision a real possibility. aldo cernezzi Since the GPS accuracy is probably much poorer than 10 feet, when a glider comes within 10 feet, I figure the FLARM should consider that a collision, no? I don't know what Flarm does in that case, but my guess is the *relative* accuracy is much better than the *absolute* accuracy. If that's true, then each glider might have position errors of much more than 10 feet, but they'll have nearly the same errors, giving a more accurate separation distance. Maybe someone more familiar with GPS in this situation can jump in here and tell us? Even if the relative GPS position computed by each glider has 0 error, you still have the problem that at 50 Knots, each aircraft is moving ~ 75 ft / second. With FLARM (or ADS-B) only transmitting positions every second, you can't rely on these technologies to protect you from random course changes that the systems can't possibly predict, if you are in close proximity. FLARM does more than transmit positions: it transmits the projected path of it's glider. Here's what I understand will happen: when the pilot makes a course change, a new path is calculated and compared to the paths Flarm has received from nearby gliders. If this new path puts it on a collision course with any of them, the pilot is warned "immediately", meaning it does not have to wait one second. The new path will be transmitted within one second, so the nearby gliders can update the other glider's path in their database. It might actually be more sophisticated than that, such as transmitting a new path sooner if the amount of change is "large", but I don't know what the algorithms are. This projected path is a key element to the system working properly. Without it, each FLARM unit would have to calculate the path of every nearby glider; with it, each unit only has to calculate one path - it's own. Potentially, it could be using a much higher position rate than once a second to calculate it's projected path. In any case, the result is much better than you might think for a system that transmits once a second. Does ADS-B transmit a projected path, or just position? I'm not an expert on either FLARM or ADS-B. I believe that ADS-B currently only transmits absolute position. Future enhancements might transmit trajectory, which would be most useful for aircraft with Flight Management Systems where the trajectory is well defined and could be used by the ATC system for airspace management. Regardless of whether or not the trajectory is transmitted, a sophisticated receiving system (either FLARM or ADS-B based), can remember each aircraft's position data and compute it's current trajectory. While a glider might be moving 75 ft / sec, this is obviously in a relatively forward direction. Neither the transmitting nor the receiving FLARM or ADS-B system can predict an abrupt change in course that a pilot flying manually might command. However, every aircraft has physical limits on roll rates, etc. that restrain the potential change in direction that can occur within the one second update interval of these systems. As a result, the systems can, theoretically, compute a pear shaped threat envelope for each aircraft and limit collision warnings to those situations where these envelopes intersect. It would be interesting to get more detailed information on the exact algorithms that FLARM uses in it's collision threat analysis and compare this to the actual unit performance in situations where gliders are flying at close distances in formation or in gaggles. This could also help pilots understand the limitations of these systems so they don't develop a false sense of security in situations where these systems are not reliable. -- Mike Schumann |
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