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On Jan 1, 3:00*am, Doug Greenwell wrote:
At 23:25 31 December 2010, Andy wrote: On Dec 31, 1:47=A0pm, Martin Gregorie wrote: On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:09:08 -0800, Derek C wrote: On Dec 31, 6:19=A0pm, bildan *wrote: On Dec 31, 4:40=A0am, "Doug" *wrote: As an aerodynamicist/flight dynamicist recently re-soloed after 25 years off, people keep asking me hard questions. =A0One that has com= e up recently is why a heavy glider on tow feels horrible, but thermalling in the same glider at lower speeds is fine? (see also Mike Fox's article on aerotowing in the October issue of S&G). I did some calculations, and I reckon it's probably due to the tug wing wake (tip vortices generating a downwash inboard, upwash outboard) changing the lift distribution on the glider wing - with a= n increased angle of attack out at the tips reducing aileron effectiveness. =A0There's possibly an interesting academic research project here, but it's always best to get a reality check first .. Is poor handling at low speed on tow a common experience? =A0I'd appreciate any thoughts/comments/war stories ... particularly bad tug/glider/speed combinations, incidents of wing drop during a tow etc etc? Doug Greenwell I suspect, but can't know unless I flew with you, that you are unconsciously trying to "steer" the glider with ailerons. =A0Overuse o= f ailerons is very common and it makes aero tow 'wobbly'. =A0If you consciously use rudder to aim the nose at the tug's tail and just keep the same bank angle as the tug with ailerons, it might work better. Wake effects are generally favorable if you stay at the right height relative to the tug. =A0Using a slightly higher tow position can sometimes help a lot. The tip vortices rotate inward above the propwash which, if allowed to do so, will drift the glider to the center position and help keep it there. =A0I haven't noticed any tendency for them to yaw a glider towa= rds a tugs wing tip.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There was a debate on our club forum about why gliders feel uncomfortable on slow tows that are still well above their normal stalling speed. We think the answer is that the glider is being asked t= o climb with the tug providing the thrust via the rope. The glider is still effectively in free flight and therefore has to fly at a greater angle of attack for a given airspeed to produce the extra lift for climbing. Hence its stalling speed is somewhat increased. If the tug's downwash field extends back far enough to include the glider, its AOA will be relative to the downwash streamlines. Add the downwash angle to the climb angle of the tug-glider combination will make the glider look quite nose-high to its pilot. =A0 I know that the downwash angle is roughly 1/3 of the wing AOA at 4-5 chords behind the wing, i.e. about where the tailplane is, but not what its angle might be at the end of a tow rope. -- martin@ =A0 | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org =A0 =A0 =A0 | I'd be surprised if the flow field from the towplane wake is significant for gliders in normal high tow position. I do wonder if the "sluggish controls" effect is to some extent psychological because flying formation requires much more precision than normal slow flight off tow. I'm most uncomfortable when I find myself slow and below the towplane and need to climb up. Unless the glider is accelerating vertically, I'm pretty sure that steady climb requires the same amount of lift as steady glide. Steady climb is not the same as accelerating climb. (F=3DMxA so if the lifting force exceeds the glider's weight by definition it accelerates vertically). The towplane provides thrust to overcome the frictional and lift- related drag losses, but unless you are well below the towplane the force on the rope is, for all practical purposes, horizontal. If you have a cg hook you will get a modest nose-up pitching moment from the rope, but this is a trim issue more than an AOA issue I believe. The tension on the rope could also provide some counter-force to rudder and elevator inputs, but I don't think you'd feel much for small angular displacements. 9B It is surprising, but part of the problem is the word 'wake' ... in order to generate lift a wing has to move a fair amount of air around (although let's not start the bernoulli argument now!), so its influence on the surrounding atmosphere extends a surprising distance away from it. Tip vortices are also a very stable flow structure, so don't begin to break up or decay for a very very long way downstream. The climb angles are too small to make a significant difference to the lift required from the glider wing (assuming the tow rope is straight), since the effect on lift goes with the cosine of the angle On the other hand, if the tow rope is not straight then there could be a significant lift component from the tension force (going with the sine of the tow rope angle) ... but you would have to be quite a long way above the tug to make a big difference. Span differential, the nature of wake roll-ups, and effects in the larger free stream. An airfoil moving through a viscous media makes quite a disturbance. Among other things, it results in relative upwash upstream in the flow field, downwash aft in the flow field, and effects which are vertically displaced in the flow field as well. However, lateral influence in the flow field- outside the wake rollup at the tips- is of special interest here. Wake rollups with vorticity do not spread the energy spent in achieving pressure equilibrium very efficiently. That is why displacing the event over a larger area such as laterally (as in more span) or vertically (as in the case of winglets) makes the wing more efficient. Since the wing doesn’t do a very good job of inducing lift beyond the tip on the other side of the wake rollup, the downwash immediately aft of the wing is significantly greater than the downwash aft of the wing and a meter or two outboard of the tips. This lateral downwash differential is preserved in the aft flow field, albeit to lesser degrees with increasing distance until the free stream reaches unity. However, when being towed slow and heavy it doesn't take much to create a noticeable effect. In the case of a tow plane with 10-11 meter span towing a glider of 15 meter span, the downwash aft of the towplane and inboard on the glider span is greater than the free stream field meeting the tips and the ailerons. The effect is that a glider under tow can behave more like a design with wings geometrically twisted in the wrong direction- with ailerons operating near the stall. The effect increases with increasing downwash required of the towplane. One way to check this effect would be tow behind a motorglider of greater span than your glider. This should provide for a better match of downwash angles across your span.Get all the climb you can for a given airspeed. Time your roll rates. Then tow behind a conventional towplane at the same speed and same climb rate as the first case. Time and compare roll rates. You can also check numerically by calculating the rolling moments and taking into account the assymetrical lift distributions using the methods of Multhopp and Redeker. However, arriving at the effective angles of attack across the span, in a modified and vertically displaced flow field 200 feet aft of the tow plane might be rather difficult. Several angle of attack probes positioned in front of your wing and distributed along the span would likely be the better approach. If a towplane could push rather than pull a glider, the effect would be reversed and the aileron authority would increase. Best Regards, Gary Osoba |
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