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At 09:25 05 January 2011, Derek C wrote:
On Jan 5, 12:00=A0am, " wrote: So, in between level flight and vertical flight, there must be a region where the wing lift is less than in level flight, right? I'm saying there is a continuous reduction in the lift the wing must provide as th= e climb angle increases. Only two months till March flying starts...gotta solve this problem while we still have time! -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) Yeah....you got it......the lift is the cosine of the climb angle times the weight......... level.....0 degrees climb.. =A0Cosine 0 =3D 1 =A0 =A0so lift =3D100% glid= er weight 5 degree climb (reasonable tow climb angle) =A0 Cosine 5 =3D .996 =A0 =A0= so lift =3D 99.6% of glider's weight 45 degree climb (unlikely but just for demonstration) =A0 cosine 45 =3D . 707 =A0so lift would be only 71% of glider's weight 90 degree climb =A0 Cosine 90 =3D o =A0 so lift would be zero. If we keep the airspeed constant, the drag shoud be constant....so the only variables are lift and thrust. =A0 as the thrust vector gets bigger, the direction of flgith gets steeper climb, and the lift vector gets smaller. Cookie So according to you, pulling a load up a 10 degree slope should require less energy than pulling it on the flat! Anybody who has ever ridden a bicycle can tell you that is not the case! For a glider on tow, the combined vector of Lift and Thrust (provided by the tug) has to equal the combined vector of weight plus drag. As the glider is not rigidly connected to the tug, the extra lift has to come from its wings (at least at moderate climb angles). For a given airspeed this can only be done by increasing the angle of attack. Hence you are closer to the stalling angle. I am not sure that this is the correct explanation, but it seems to fit the observed facts. Derek C There are two components to the energy required in this case - (1) the energy required to overcome friction (which will indeed be slightly less, because of the reduced reaction force perpendicular to the slope), (2) the energy required to lift the load up a given height (NB this assumes that you are pulling the load at a constant speed - otherwise we would have to take kinetic energy into account as well) (1) can be reduced to (near) zero by reducing friction - using rollers for example, or in your alternative example of a bicycle - the equivalent effect in a glider on tow is reducing drag by careful streamlining or increased aspect ratio. (2) is fixed, and independent of speed or slope angle - raising any object a given height requires a fixed amount of energy (= mass*acceleration due to gravity*height change). Both components of the energy input are provided by you pulling the load up the slope. A glider on tow is exactly the same. The wing lift corresponds to the reaction force between the surface and the load. The drag corresponds to the friction force between the surface and the load. The tug corresponds to you pulling the load - and is doing all the work against friction and gravity. The lift/reaction force does no work - all it does is stop the load sinking into the ground or the glider falling further and further below the tug. Imagine a perfect glider with no drag* on tow (= pulling a load up the slope with no friction, or a perfect bicycle) ... what happens if you release the rope (or stop pedalling)? If the wing lift were responsible for the climb rate then you would carry on climbing until you ran out of atmosphere (or hill) * fortunately not currently available in the shops, since it would ruin the sport! |
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