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On Jan 8, 8:46*pm, chris wrote:
On Jan 8, 7:17*pm, "kirk.stant" wrote: Where do you get that "Flarmers" will be able to leach better than non- flarmers. Really? Kindly explain how that will work. I've never seen that fear raised in any discussion of Flarm. The whole leaching question is a tempest in a teapot. *If it bothers you, turn on Stealth mode and you can't be leached (but will still get collision warning). Kirk 66 Kirk, My understanding is that if stealth mode is off then a pilot can see the climb rate of other flarm equipped gliders in the area: *One way to do it is using Winpilot - see this from the winpilot site: "FLARM Support: Added the ability to track several other gliders in the vicinity that also carry FLARM on board. WinPilot can now show visually the position of the other gliders, their bearing, and also indicate weather or not they are climbing, and if so, what their current climb rate is." see the graphic on the main page.http://www.winpilot.com/images4/News2.gif seeyou mobile does the same as do other systems:http://gliderpilot.org/files/FlarmFl...rformance/SeeY... So is it a fair competition if in early 2011 part of the fleet is allowed to share remote thermal sensing data? Like shooting fish in a barrel, not a contest. *To me it appears that we are allowing team flying - with good displays and coordination 2 or more pilots could team fly a whole contest season and never have to talk on the radio. *So maybe I turn my stealth mode on to prevent others from getting my data but that won't stop other pilots from team flying via flarm. I do not understand why we would introduce it "unrestricted" for 2011. *I realize we/Rules Committee do[es] not have familiarity with the system, but other countries do, can we learn from them rather than risk as much chaos? * Andy posted the UK 2010 flarm rules earlier in this discussion, to me it makes sense for us to start off with the stealth mode required too, that gets the anti-collision function and reduces the data sharing issues. This is my request to the Rules Committee. To Henry's point i do think there is some risk, especially early on of pilots focusing on their "show me where to find lift radar screen" that they don't look out the window for the non flarm guys as much. Ironically could be more dangerous. * * omg I am agreeing with Henry on something? ;-) Chris If seeing other competitors climb rates is a competitive advantage then that's an additional incentive for everyone to equip with PowerFLARM. That is exactly where we would have been with MIRA except that for the 2011 racing reason it's still voluntary and no pilot will lose a contest day to a FLARM failure. Andy (GY) |
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