A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Soaring
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Open Discussion; Creating XC pilots



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #14  
Old July 20th 14, 07:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Carlyle
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 324
Default Open Discussion; Creating XC pilots

MB, thank you for branching off a comment of mine in the contest improvement thread and starting this one! I'm sorry to be late to the discussion - a trip made posting before now impossible, though.

The comments in this thread are quite good, quite wide ranging, and quite inspiring. But most are aimed at a much higher level than what I consider to be the fundamental problem: how to get glider pilots to even consider trying XC? Broadly speaking, only about 10% of glider pilots in US clubs fly XC. Contest participation is even smaller, perhaps about 3%. These are not good numbers! What can we do?

MB's commendable efforts over about 10 years basically doubled his club's size member-wise, tripled his club's XC pilot contingent, and built a capable XC fleet for non-glider owners to take XC. I think one of the keys to this growth is his comment that several club officers "slowly steered the direction of the club to embrace and allow XC flight", ie, they changed the club culture. This may be the prime ingredient towards generating XC pilots.

For example, my club has (in addition to four G103 training ships) a Duo, an ASW-19, and a G102. Club rules permit using Duo and the single seaters for XC. Here are their 5 year utilization rates in hours (flights):

2014 2013 2012 2011 2010
Duo 18(11) 27(29) 72(94) 80(67) 89(101)
19 25(24) 13(9) 25(19) 51(43) 59(48)
102 22(27) 66(65) 44(59) 5(10) 51(44)

What you cannot see in the numbers is that most of these are local flights, not XC flights. Add in the fact that for 2010 through 2013 only 9 pilots each year (out of about 120 club members) flew XC (determined by their flights appearing on the OLC, on the local Governor's Cup contest, or on a contest score sheet). Two further interesting facts are that 90% of these 9 XC pilots flew ASEL before flying gliders XC, 80% of them own their own glider, and only 20% of them learned to fly gliders at my club. In other words, we've had very little club generation of XC pilots.

Morgan mentioned his frustration is "trying to motivate and introduce XC to people". He's not alone. Like him, we use non-CFIG pilots to introduce people to XC. Also like him, we've given introductory XC flights a number of people. This year we're glad that we've enticed 3 new pilots to fly XC, but these folks bought their own gliders and they were not among our XC introductory flight participants!

Chris Fleming mentioned that he believes the problem in the US might be due to focusing on "low-cost basic training" and ignoring or discouraging "the progression to XC soaring". Perhaps so, my club's experience certainly bears this out. However, Martin Gregorie said that in his UK club "more members go XC than don't". Is the experience at other UK clubs similar to that at Martin's club? I have anecdotal evidence that in several Dutch and German glider clubs only about 10% of their members soar XC, similar to the US. What is the general European glider experience?

Does generating XC pilots come down to club culture?

-John, Q3
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Open Cirrus Pilots Notes phil collin Soaring 9 October 10th 06 02:10 AM
New discussion forum for Sport Pilots and Light Sport Aircraft [email protected] Piloting 6 February 25th 06 06:51 PM
New discussion forum for Sport Pilots and Light Sport Aircraft [email protected] Owning 0 February 9th 06 07:16 PM
Citizens for Honest Fighter Pilots Open Letter To Media Otis Willie Military Aviation 3 September 18th 04 10:42 AM
Creating MPGs for the web Mark James Boyd Soaring 1 October 24th 03 08:39 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.