In wave, in blue hole at cloud level, hole closes, in IMC, then what?

On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 9:04:03 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 8:37:02 PM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
This thread is off the rails. OP posed a scenario involving IMC in smooth lift at low speed. Now guys are complaining that some of the tips given won't work at redline in rough air. Well that's true. It shouldn't really be a surprise now, should it?

-Evan Ludeman / T8

And the scenarios were folks are breaking gliders in wave, at least in the big Sierra wave are just not that scenario, so it's not particularly interesting to other folks here, who may be trying to get the topic on a rail relevant to actual problems experienced in real wave flying ... :-) Well stuff that has at least eaten two gliders in the Reno areas.

The Sierra wave scenario is really being closed in IMC near VNE in smooth air (if bombing along you are maybe 10,000'or so higher than the rotor). No turbulence necessary to have a very bad day.

It has not been mentioned in this thread that VNE at the high altitudes associated with wave flight (at least the Sierra wave) is lower than the placard says. This is because flutter speed increases at a slower rate than TAS compared to IAS. Many don't know/remember this. In my glider, the placard VNE is 146 knots IAS but at 18,000 ft this is reduced to 122 knots IAS, at 30,000 less than 100 knots.