A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Soaring
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Is FLARM helpful?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #11  
Old November 27th 15, 12:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
David Salmon[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 54
Default Is FLARM helpful?

What James may be referring to is the fact that Flarm indications are in
relation to your ground track not heading. The extreme example is if
flying in very strong winds, say in wave, and actually going backwards.
Another glider coming from your 6 o'clock will actually show as head on.
This effect is still there in any cross wind.
This is a fundamental flaw in Flarm, which surely could be much improved by
building in a wind algorithm to correct the indication nearer to heading.
All navigation programs have them.
Dave




At 03:22 27 November 2015, jfitch wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2015 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-8, James Metcalfe wrote:
At 21:29 25 November 2015, jfitch wrote:
I am curious about your experience with the interface. Did you just

have
the BF display, or was the Flarm also displaying targets on a

moving=20
map?

I have not had any Flarm warnings that would have saved a midair (3=20

years
with it now). But I have always had Flarm targets displayed on the

glide
computer moving map, and so nearly always see them long before they=20

could be
considered a threat. Two times in those three years I have gotten an
unexpected warning, though not close enough to require action to

avoid=
=20
collision.
I use those events as a learning experience to see how I need to

change=
=20
my
scans and operations, so that they do not happen again.

From this I conclude that the situational awareness, far away from an
potential conflict, is more valuable for preventing potential

conflicts
=
in
=20
the
first place than the actual warning facility.=3D20

Countless times that Flarm has identified and displayed glider within

a=
=20
km
of me that I had not seen and might never have seen.

=20
I have used only the 'butterfly' display. To be clear, of course I

am=20
seeing target alerts all the time. That is not a problem, and even=20
occasionally interesting (such as when someone starts following).
The problem is with false collision warnings. Many pilots appear to

(and=
=20
some of my pupils certainly do) find it almost impossible to resist

turni=
ng
=20
away from the Flarm direction of the 'threat', before they have seen

the=
=20
target. That is dangerous, as I wrote in a post yesterday. And note

that=
=20
the Flarm direction is often significantly different from the true
direction=20
(occasionally diametrically opposite), as it is track-based, not

heading-
based.
=20
I can see that my experience of Flarm in a very busy environment

(the=20
French Alps) will be very different from that of those flying largely

in=
=20
isolation (such as flatlands, particularly with what I would regard as

hi=
gh
=20
cloudbases (I'm a Brit!))
J.


James, if you are plagued by false alarms coming even from the wrong
headin=
g, I am all the more curious. I have not had any false alarms, perhaps
some=
false negatives (probably should had been an alarm). Never from the

wrong
=
direction. Do you have the IGC files from a flight in which you remember
th=
at happening? It would be interesting to put it into SeeYou or other
softw=
are (or even look at it in a text editor) to see what the accuracy of fix
w=
as. I have noticed that the Flarm GPS is typically reporting a larger
error=
, and in some cases quite large. I'm not sure what the algorithms do with
t=
he precision of fix, but it seems like that is the most likely source of
th=
e errors you describe. For example the Flarm IGC file from my glider will
s=
how a typical precision of fix of around 3 - 4 meters, but sometimes it
wil=
l go up to 30-40 for unknown reasons. The Air Avionics gps will show a
prec=
ision of 1 - 2 meters on the same flight and might also go up in the same
a=
reas but not as much. Ridge flying in the Alps you might have the antenna
s=
haded on one or more sides, which will increase the HDOP. The precision

is
=
the normally the last three digits of the B record in the IGC file. All

of
=
my flying is high altitude and with a clear view of the sky.


 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FAA Actually being helpful! Steve Leonard[_2_] Soaring 3 September 15th 12 02:57 PM
Helpful controller Ridge Piloting 3 July 12th 07 11:57 PM
Ode to the Helpful Homebuilder [email protected] Home Built 13 November 10th 06 08:37 AM
Helpful Aviation DVD's Kobra Piloting 0 October 27th 05 02:10 AM
Which rating would be more helpful? Jeffrey LLoyd Piloting 2 July 17th 03 07:02 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.