For Keith Willshaw...

"Denyav" wrote in message
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You say the US knew and where when the attack was due, all they needed to
do
was prep the a/c the night before and launch 30 mins before the attack,
plus
wake the sailors up early and have them man the AA guns.

First of all FDR or US did not want to deter japanase or save US ships in
Harbor,what FDR wanted was a spectacular event to schock and awe the
Nation.

No, you just believe that. do try to distinguish between fact and your
opinion.

A spectacular event that would shock the nation = a surprise attack - it
never had to succeed.

The first warning of Pearl Harbor attack did not came before hours,days or
weeks before the attack,it came almost one year before attack.
1)On January 27,1941 US Ambassador to Japan ,Joseph Grew sent following
message
to Washington:
"Peruvian minister has informed one my staff that he has heard from many
sources,including a Japanase source,that in the event of trouble breaking
out
between US and Japan,the Japanase intended to make a surprise attack
aganist
Pearl Harbor with all their strength"

So the US govt should believe the utterances of EVERY single foreign
diplomat in the world?

And act on them? should the US have gone to war on 2nd hand information
from a PERUVIAN minister?



Again the date of above message is Jan,27,1941.


As above.

2)Later Congressman M.Dies wrote the following:
"Early in 1941 the Dies committee came into possesion of a strategic map
which
gave clear proof of intentions of the japanese to make an assault on Pearl
Harbor.The strategic map was prepared by the Japanase Imperial
Intelligence
dept.
As soon as I received rhe document I telephoned Secretary of State Cordell
Hull
and told him what I had.Secretary Hull directed me not to let anyone know
about
map and stated that he would call me as soon as he talked to President
Roosevelt.In about an hour he telephoned to say that he had talked to
Roosevelt
and they agreed that it would be very serious if any information
concerning
this map reached the news services.I told him it was a grave
responsibility to
withold such vital information from the public.TheSecretary assured me the
he
and Roosevelt considered essential to national defense"


and M Dies agenda was?


3)Dusko Popov was a British double agent.
In the summer of 1941 Nazis ordered him to Hawai to make a detailed study
of PH
naval base and its nearby airfields.
He deduced that his mission betokened a surprise attack by japanase.In
Aug.1941
he reported this to FBI in New York.
Later Hoover bitterly recalled that he had provided Popovs warning abour
Pearl
Harbor to FDR but that Roosevelt told him not to pass the information any
further and to just leave in in his ,Presidents,hands"


He may well have deduced that, but since the Germans didn't know about any
attack on Pearl Harbour until after the event and the Brits were reading
German codes, it seems likely that it was ignored as trivial.


4)Kilso Haan received definite information from Korean underground that
the
Japanese were planning to attack Hawai "before Christmas".Haan contacted
Iowa
Senator Gillette and convinced him that information had merit.
Sen.Gillette briefed FDR , but FDR said only"it would be looked into"

You don't think that the "Korean underground" had reasons to be making stuff
up that might draw the USA into a war with the Japanese?


5)The Dutch Army in Java on Dec.4 decoded a dispatch from Tokyo to Japan
Embassy in Bangkok, forecasting attack on four locations including
Hawai.The
Dutch passed information to US Brig.Gen Thorpe.Thorpe sent total 4 urgent
warning messages to Washington,to last one directly to the desk of
Marshalls
intel chief.Washington in return ordered Thorpe not send warning messages
anymore.

Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information. ever.


Col.Weiijerman,Dutch military attache in Washington,also delivered warning
message to Marshalls staff in person.

Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information. ever.

6)On Nov,29 Cordell Hull met with the journalist J.Leib and handed him
some
japanese intercepts about Pearl Harbor and told him that Japanase were
planning
the base and that FDR planned to let it happen.
Leib promised to keep Hulls name out of story and contacted UP Washington
chief
Wilson and told him the details without giving the name of his source.
Wilson found story ludicrious and refused to run it but Leib managed to
get and
urgent version onto UPs foreign service.


Mr. Joe Lieb's claim that Secretary of State Hull told him of the coming
attack and named Pearl Harbor as the target. The trouble here is that Mr.
Lieb and Mr. Hull were the only ones present at their alleged conversation,
and Mr. Lieb did not see fit to tell anyone of this conversation until after
Mr. Hull died. Thus there is no way independently to verify his claim.



Reality is not your friend, is it?

Is reality your friend?

Yes, why do you make this **** up?


You haven't addressed why they couldn't defeat the attack yet, also you
havent explained how getting into a different war with Japan helps the
USA
get into a war against Germany (or was Hitler in on the big plan too?).


Washington was not interested in defeating attack,much less preventing it.

Clashes with reality, the US didn't have to lose to be in the war, just get
attacked.


By sending a war warning?

War warning ?,you make me laugh,unfortunately Kimmel was not under Dutch
command.

A final war warning issued to all commanders in the army and navy on
November 27 was not heeded because Pearl Harbor was not mentioned as a
possible target.

Kimmel was so incompetent that he didn't heed the warning and then spent the
rest of his life trying to gloss over that simple fact..


Again you feel the need to invent what people are saying.

You really should seek medical help.

I think the people who made Maine Incident (unfortunately too late),Pearl
Harbor (again unfortunately too late) and 9/11 should seek,no not medical
help,but legal help.

No, you are simply insane.