The F16 is a crap plane . . .

"Robey Price" wrote in message
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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tank Fixer
confessed the following:

I find their arguments to be thin when it turns out their journalists and
government officials were being bribed.

Respectfully...do you agree that public opinion in France and Germany
was significantly opposed to a US lead invasion or Iraq? Even public
opinion in the UK was lukewarm at best (roughly 50-50).

European opinion is reflective of the European media... which is about as
diverse as Al-Jazeera vs. Al-Arabya. At least here in the US we have more
than one opinion on the air, so people can accurately make up their minds.

Combine that with long-standing anti-Americanism and you have a rather
obsinant population that will do anything to keep America from projecting
power anywhere, regardless of the facts or reasoning. Hell, if a cure for
cancer were discovered by an American company tomorrow, 78% of Europe would
be in favor of banning it the next day, and another 10% would call for a war
crimes trial.


Do you suggest that President Chirac was bribed?
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040...3158-1229r.htm


Yes.

Previous articles (published by various sources) around Jan 28 2004
when this story broke listed 46 agencies, companies, or people. The
Washington Times says 270...but does not suggest Chirac himself.


Give them time. He was, in fact, the man who personally sold a nuclear
reactor to Saddam. (which Israel had to destroy...the Israelies should send
their fuel bill for that operation to France)

The WT article even mentions that somebody with ties to the Pope is on
the list (which only covers vouchers from 1999). I'm fairly certain
that the Pope opposed gwb's war in Iraq.

Perhaps the Vatican was involved as well. You're not suggesting that priests
are incorruptable, are you?


Why is it so hard to contemplate that citizens and leaders of other
nations do not march lock-step with gwb & company? These same friends,
being France and Germany have consistantly stated that Saddam Hussein
was an evil piece of ****.

Hahahaaaa.... yeah, they 'state' all kinds of things... but at some point
you have to put your money where your mouth is, and it's then that it
becomes very clear exactly where people stand.


Contemporaneous US corporate scandals (e.g. Enron, Vivendi, Worldcom)

Vivendi is a French corporation.

and the current ****-storm over Ahmed Chalabi plus the high level
DoJ, DoD, SecDef memos WRT treatment of prisoners doesn't paint our
business practices nor current government as shining examples to be
emmulated.

LOL... the manufactured outrage over these things is appaling. I don't care
if prisoners are being 'abused'. It ain't torture, no matter how many UN
types and other liberals speak with red-faced indignation about the subject.

And the Chalibi thing is disturbing, if totally true, but I have yet to see
much in the way of fact.


Mr Bush didn't "need" French or German support to take out SH, but he
certainly needs their support now to fix the mess in Iraq. You might
not think so, but gwb's speeches at Normandy and at the G-8 summit
would indicate otherwise.

Tell me what we need them for. Please. Because they've already stated that
they won't send troops under any circumstances, and their respective
economies are completely stagnant, so I wouldnt count on much in the way of
money, either. So no troops and no cash. What do we need them for?