For Keith Willshaw...

Ah yes the near total erase take 8. Now we are into Denyav debating
himself but assigning the words to me, nothing new here really, I timed
my effort at 5 minutes plus the 5 minute review before sending.

The story so far,

1) the claims about the war warning message text, dropped after the
war warning text was actually posted. (the warnings are supposed to
make Pearl Harbor the only target)
2) the use of the character in the Pearl Harbor movie played by Dan
Aykroyd as a source of facts, dropped when it was revealed where
the name came from.
3) claims about the various investigations into the Pearl Harbor attack,
dropped when a list of such investigations was posted
4) attempts to promote the relatively recent congressional request to
promote General Short and Admiral Kimmel as proof of a conspiracy
are dropped, after the text of the resolution is posted.
5) claims about what Admiral Kimmel said are backed up by the URL
of the transcript of the congressional request meeting, Kimmel had
been dead for around 30 years before the meeting. The URL text
does not support pre knowledge of the attack and includes over
statements on Kimmels behalf (inventing 800 to 1,000 extra patrol
bombers available)
6) the claim the only investigation to clear Kimmel is the reliable one
despite the claim the findings and evidence have never been released.
Claim dropped again.
7) The claims the investigations were all rigged because it was one
entity investigating itself. Dropped since the claimed only investigation
to clear Kimmel was USN, the USN investigating the USN.
8) Hollywood is a US "premier quasi-governmental PSYOP organization."
Claim dropped.
9) The claim the US needed Pearl to be attacked, apparently the assaults
on Wake, Guam, Midway, the Philippines and US shipping were not enough.
Claim dropped.
10) The claim MacArthur received warnings Hawaii did not, claim dropped.
The same war warnings were sent to all commands in the Pacific.
11) the claim the "McCollum Memo" was a blueprint for US government
actions, dropped after the memo summary was posted, pointing out
what the memo actually said.
12) the claim McCollum was in charge of codebreaking dropped, his
memo header makes it clear he was in a different area.
13) If you write a book that says no conspiracy you are automatically
said to be pushing the official version, and such versions are claimed
to be wrong. No proof mind you. Claim dropped.
14) The conspiracy pushers cannot lie unless they receive official permission.
That was a good one.
15) There are still some USN intercept files still hidden, claim dropped.
16) The attempt to use Stinnett as a source appears to be dropped,
since the claims are so easy to prove wrong it seems. If you question
Stinnett directly he complains about spelling errors rather than reply.
17) The Lietwiler letter, claims dropped after the key text was posted.
18) Only in Washington are investigations rigged with hand picked
documents. Claim dropped.
19) JN-25 was an "easy" code, claim dropped.
20) Churchill quote meaning, claim dropped.
21) If you know one thing perfectly you must know another thing perfectly
(in an attempt to "prove" 1941 = 2001)
22) The war warnings become a blind rather than identifying Pearl as
the target. It would seem Denyav finally read the text after I posted it.
23) Allen Dulles, CIA chief saying they knew in 1941, claim dropped.
24) Denyav is now simply inventing things I have supposed to have said.

Denyav wrote in message ...
Ah yes the near total erase and change the subject approach, take 7.
Now we are into Denyav debating nothing new here really, I timed my effort
at 5 minutes plus the 5 minute review before sending.

I hate to delete your detractors but we are now pretty familiar with your
position.

Translation Denyav has to delete my words and then tell the world
what he wants me to have said.

1)Calling everything,that point to the directions other than official
version,IRRELEVANT.

So please post the text where I said this,

My uses of the word irrelevant,

"Presumably the British reporting the codes were hard to break is
also irrelevant?"

"Let the laughs begin. Or more particularly Denyav's tour of web
sites looking for irrelevant quotes."

2)Accepting Japanase code blunder but claiming that US stopped code recovery
work in April 41,after recovering 5000 codes

Please provide the text where I said this.

Yes folks, Denyav is going to announce he does no idea on IJN
codes, confusing the recovery of random number meant to disguise
the code groups, (stage 1) with giving meaning to the code groups
(stage 3), stage 2 is listing the code groups in use.

3)Then accepting that code recovery did not stop in April.

Yes folks, I list the allied code recoveries to January 1942 and
that means I stopped talking about code recoveries in April 1941.
Simple logic really.

This is what I said, in a different thread,

The codes in question were the A5 and B5 versions. That is the code
book was changed from A to B but the additive (random number) book
was left at 5. In August 1945 the USN noted it had 4,907 out of 50,000
additives for the 5 book. Which explains quite well why the main effect
of the failure to change additive books did not compromise the code
values, but did compromise the fact the basic code system was still in use.

If it did compromise the code values then it should have compromised
the A version as well, yet the USN reports knowing around 5% of the
code values when work stopped around March 1941.

You see it is quite simple announce every random number recovered
is a JN-25B code book value, totally different thing of course but do not
let that stop you. Please continue this line, it shows how wrong you are.

Yes folks, Denyav has to announce he does not want to know multiple
times. The 5 additive book came into service on 1 October 1940 and
went out of service on 31 January 1941. It increased the size of the
random number tables from 30,000 to 50,000, plus allowing the clerk
to start from any column, not column 1 of a row on the chosen page.
This further required changes to the message group where the sender
told the receiver what random numbers were used. Helps explain why
the USN had less than 10% of the book after 4 months.

You are trying to defend an undefendable position and you need of course lots
of detractors for the defense.

This is becoming very funny, the defender of the undefendable
position is the one who needs to keep deleting all the evidence.

But dont worry many gov't employees have similar problems nowadays.

Ah yes, Denyav is trying to announce I am a government employee, which
he considers to be a great insult. He is as accurate here as elsewhere.
Oh yes, I trust he does not use money since it is only money if the government
says so, not government owned roads or parks etc. Or perhaps he does,
to award more medals for defying the (non existent) enemy.

Geoffrey Sinclair
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