Can only CFIs teach flying?

Even CFI’s sometimes put out some really bad info. A local old timer CFI was notorious for teaching students that if they have an engine fail on takeoff, that they could easily make a turn back to the field at low altitude by holding the wings level and doing a 180 with just the rudder! I actually heard this guy teaching that and his whole explanation of why it should work.

On Saturday, October 5, 2019 at 6:59:20 PM UTC-4, WB wrote:
Even CFI’s sometimes put out some really bad info. A local old timer CFI was notorious for teaching students that if they have an engine fail on takeoff, that they could easily make a turn back to the field at low altitude by holding the wings level and doing a 180 with just the rudder! I actually heard this guy teaching that and his whole explanation of why it should work.

We had a local 'barnstormer', a charming and persuasive fellow, convince a few of our student pilots that in a steep enough turn, the rudder and elevator swap functions. And of course, once they'd bought that explanation, they really didn't want to let go.

T8

On Saturday, October 5, 2019 at 5:42:07 PM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Saturday, October 5, 2019 at 6:59:20 PM UTC-4, WB wrote:
Even CFI’s sometimes put out some really bad info. A local old timer CFI was notorious for teaching students that if they have an engine fail on takeoff, that they could easily make a turn back to the field at low altitude by holding the wings level and doing a 180 with just the rudder! I actually heard this guy teaching that and his whole explanation of why it should work.

We had a local 'barnstormer', a charming and persuasive fellow, convince a few of our student pilots that in a steep enough turn, the rudder and elevator swap functions. And of course, once they'd bought that explanation, they really didn't want to let go.

T8

Poor choice of words or explanation? If you roll a G103 slow enough you will be feeding in top rudder to keep the nose from falling through. However the rudder has not swapped function with elevator. I flew a 10 hour aerobatic course with Les Horvath. When I thought he would sign my logbook he told me he was not a CFIG so could not sign the book. You can certainly learn much from non-CFIG's like XC flying. But for the basics through private I would pick a CFIG with grey hair.

I can roll up into a 90 degree bank and, if I don't apply up or down
elevator, the plane won't turn.Â* The nose will simply knife downward.Â*
So, am I clinging to something?Â* Think vectors and the vertical and
horizontal components of lift.

I read a story on one of the aviation newsletters recently where a young
FAA inspector was riding jump seat in an airliner.Â* As they waited for
takeoff clearance, she asked the captain which controlled speed, the
elevators or throttle.Â* Then the captain said that the throttles
controlled speed, she corrected him saying that throttle controls
altitude and elevator controls speed.

The captain thought about that and then said to the copilot:Â* " When
we're cleared for takeoff, I'll push the yoke full forward and, when we
attain takeoff speed, you push the throttles up so we can get
airborne."Â* The moral - what they taught you in class ain't always the
way it works in reality.

On 10/5/2019 6:42 PM, Tango Eight wrote:
On Saturday, October 5, 2019 at 6:59:20 PM UTC-4, WB wrote:
Even CFI’s sometimes put out some really bad info. A local old timer CFI was notorious for teaching students that if they have an engine fail on takeoff, that they could easily make a turn back to the field at low altitude by holding the wings level and doing a 180 with just the rudder! I actually heard this guy teaching that and his whole explanation of why it should work.
We had a local 'barnstormer', a charming and persuasive fellow, convince a few of our student pilots that in a steep enough turn, the rudder and elevator swap functions. And of course, once they'd bought that explanation, they really didn't want to let go.

T8

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Dan, 5J

On Friday, October 4, 2019 at 7:23:24 PM UTC-4, jp wrote:
Is it legal for non-CFIs to instruct others to fly?

If you are a captain flying part 121 YES YOU CAN

On Friday, October 4, 2019 at 7:23:24 PM UTC-4, jp wrote:
Is it legal for non-CFIs to instruct others to fly?

JP Contact me off-line for my thoughts on your inquiry.

smanley @ wisc dot edu or 608 222 6843 or Skype "scooter.manley"

I’ll just touch on the part you don’t ask: No it’s not a good idea. It’s fun to show friends and family a little about how things work while flying, but hard core instruction? No way - Our wonderful sport is dangerous enough as is.

Cheers,
Bruno -B4

Thread drift light on here.
When your paying for and getting training you have to search out good instructors you can connect with.
When I was getting my initial Cezzna training in Broomfield Colorado { Jeffco } in 1983 I had a instructor that was extremely nervous and didn't have a good feel for the airplane, I had been flying airplanes like a Cezzna T210 and V Tail Beechcraft Bonanza since I was about 13, so I kinda had a good feel for how things were suppose to go.
I don't know how that guy ever got his CFI rating. He seems to be scared to me!
That said I've been very fortunate to have had some really excellent instructors through out my career, not all were CFI rated.