Why did Bush join the national guard?

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:29:00 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
wrote:

Thomas J. Paladino Jr. wrote:

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided not
to use the plane.

For the same record, when he first applied for flying training, he indicated on
his application that he did NOT desire an overseas assignment.

That's no smoking gun. I did NOT desire an overseas assignment when I
entered the USAF. I did NOT desire an overseas assignment when I chose
the F-105 (there were four wings in the US flying the airplane at the
time.) I did NOT desire an overseas assignment when I got one to Korat
Thailand. I did NOT desire an overseas assignment when I returned from
Korat. In fact, I was in the AF for almost eight years before the
first time I checked that box on the AF form 90. A lot of folks with
and without families for a wide variety of reasons don't indicate a
preference or desire for overseas assignment.

And he had only
300 flying hours in the F-102 when he volunteered for overseas duty after he had
been told that they wouldn't consider anybody with less than 500 hours. It was
a pretty safe thing to do.....asking for something you knew in advance they
weren't going to give you.

And, when I went to war in the F-105 I had 120 hours in the airplane.
When I went to war in the F-4 I had 28 hours in the type and ZERO
hours in the model to which I was assigned. My first flight in an F-4E
was a combat mission. So, there's not much "safety" in volunteering
with a few less hours than required.

That's just for the record, of course.

This is just for the record as well.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
Both from Smithsonian Books
***www.thunderchief.org

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Thomas J. Paladino Jr. wrote:

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to
Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided
not
to use the plane.

For the same record, when he first applied for flying training, he
indicated on
his application that he did NOT desire an overseas assignment.

Duh. He was in a National Guard unit. He could have put a big smiley face in
the other block and it would have made no difference. His duty assignment
was already set in concrete--he was going to return to his unit, the same
one that sent him to flight school in the first place. You are incapable of
understanding the differences between ANG and active component operations,
aren't you?


And he had only
300 flying hours in the F-102 when he volunteered for overseas duty after
he had
been told that they wouldn't consider anybody with less than 500 hours.

Nope, he first asked about Palace Alert, and was *then* told they were then
using the 500 hour limit; you have it all basackwards, as usual.

It was
a pretty safe thing to do.....asking for something you knew in advance
they
weren't going to give you.

Wrong again. You have been told this before, so I guess your continued use
of this tack is just your usual dishonest nature coming through
again...Palace Alert did not maintain a set-in-concrete 500 hour experience
requirement. The required experience level fluctuated based upon the pool of
volunteers they then had--which is why later, as the program wound down, a
mere junior LT found himself flying Palace Alert duty out of Iceland and
participating in one of the USAF's last F-102 intercepts of a Soviet
aircraft.


That's just for the record, of course.

Then your records are all screwed up.

Brooks


George Z.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 1:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Thomas J. Paladino Jr. wrote:

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to
Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided
not
to use the plane.

For the same record, when he first applied for flying training, he
indicated on
his application that he did NOT desire an overseas assignment.

Duh. He was in a National Guard unit. He could have put a big smiley face in
the other block and it would have made no difference. His duty assignment
was already set in concrete--he was going to return to his unit, the same
one that sent him to flight school in the first place. You are incapable of
understanding the differences between ANG and active component operations,
aren't you?


And he had only
300 flying hours in the F-102 when he volunteered for overseas duty after
he had
been told that they wouldn't consider anybody with less than 500 hours.

Nope, he first asked about Palace Alert, and was *then* told they were then
using the 500 hour limit; you have it all basackwards, as usual.

It was
a pretty safe thing to do.....asking for something you knew in advance
they
weren't going to give you.

Wrong again. You have been told this before, so I guess your continued use
of this tack is just your usual dishonest nature coming through
again...Palace Alert did not maintain a set-in-concrete 500 hour experience
requirement. The required experience level fluctuated based upon the pool of
volunteers they then had--which is why later, as the program wound down, a
mere junior LT found himself flying Palace Alert duty out of Iceland and
participating in one of the USAF's last F-102 intercepts of a Soviet
aircraft.


That's just for the record, of course.

Then your records are all screwed up.

Brooks


George Z.




We are talking about military flying. A subject in which you have no experience
whatever and therefore no right to comment.




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 4:03 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 1:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Thomas J. Paladino Jr. wrote:

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to
Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided
not
to use the plane.

For the same record, when he first applied for flying training, he
indicated on
his application that he did NOT desire an overseas assignment.

Duh. He was in a National Guard unit. He could have put a big smiley face in
the other block and it would have made no difference. His duty assignment
was already set in concrete--he was going to return to his unit, the same
one that sent him to flight school in the first place. You are incapable of
understanding the differences between ANG and active component operations,
aren't you?


And he had only
300 flying hours in the F-102 when he volunteered for overseas duty after
he had
been told that they wouldn't consider anybody with less than 500 hours.

Nope, he first asked about Palace Alert, and was *then* told they were then
using the 500 hour limit; you have it all basackwards, as usual.

It was
a pretty safe thing to do.....asking for something you knew in advance
they
weren't going to give you.

Wrong again. You have been told this before, so I guess your continued use
of this tack is just your usual dishonest nature coming through
again...Palace Alert did not maintain a set-in-concrete 500 hour experience
requirement. The required experience level fluctuated based upon the pool of
volunteers they then had--which is why later, as the program wound down, a
mere junior LT found himself flying Palace Alert duty out of Iceland and
participating in one of the USAF's last F-102 intercepts of a Soviet
aircraft.


That's just for the record, of course.

Then your records are all screwed up.

Brooks


George Z.




We are talking about military flying. A subject in which you have no
experience
whatever and therefore no right to comment.




Arthur Kramer

It's an off topic anti Bush rant started by YOU. It has nothing to do with
military aviation so you have no right to tell others they can't comment.

I don't get the impression you are trying to change anyone's mind. You are
obviously posting for your own jollies. Tell me, do you masturbate when you
spew this stuff?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 1:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Thomas J. Paladino Jr. wrote:

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to
Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be
decided
not
to use the plane.

For the same record, when he first applied for flying training, he
indicated on
his application that he did NOT desire an overseas assignment.

Duh. He was in a National Guard unit. He could have put a big smiley face
in
the other block and it would have made no difference. His duty assignment
was already set in concrete--he was going to return to his unit, the same
one that sent him to flight school in the first place. You are incapable
of
understanding the differences between ANG and active component
operations,
aren't you?


And he had only
300 flying hours in the F-102 when he volunteered for overseas duty
after
he had
been told that they wouldn't consider anybody with less than 500 hours.

Nope, he first asked about Palace Alert, and was *then* told they were
then
using the 500 hour limit; you have it all basackwards, as usual.

It was
a pretty safe thing to do.....asking for something you knew in advance
they
weren't going to give you.

Wrong again. You have been told this before, so I guess your continued
use
of this tack is just your usual dishonest nature coming through
again...Palace Alert did not maintain a set-in-concrete 500 hour
experience
requirement. The required experience level fluctuated based upon the pool
of
volunteers they then had--which is why later, as the program wound down,
a
mere junior LT found himself flying Palace Alert duty out of Iceland and
participating in one of the USAF's last F-102 intercepts of a Soviet
aircraft.


That's just for the record, of course.

Then your records are all screwed up.

Brooks


George Z.




We are talking about military flying.

No, you are engaging in your usual political bashing attempt.

A subject in which you have no experience
whatever and therefore no right to comment.

Translation of the above: "I can't address your specific comments, so I'll
try to bluster my way out of the crap pile I again find myself in."

What a sad little demented creature you have turned into in your old age--or
were you always such an idiot?

Brooks





Arthur Kramer

From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 3:18 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


"George Z. Bush"

snip the usual george z manure

That's just for the record, of course.

Then your records are all screwed up.

Brooks


First thing you have to understand is george z is a manure salesman with a
mouthful of samples. The second thing is he was never in the military and has
never bothered to figure out how the military actually works.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (B2431)
Date: 9/5/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 3:18 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


"George Z. Bush"

snip the usual george z manure

That's just for the record, of course.

Then your records are all screwed up.

Brooks


First thing you have to understand is george z is a manure salesman with a
mouthful of samples. The second thing is he was never in the military and has
never bothered to figure out how the military actually works.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


I think Geoirge Z flew C-47's in WW II as a troop carrier pilot. It's about
time you told us what you did instead of attacking everyone while you conceal
your great combat experiences. You get more like Bush every day.

..
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 11:59 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy or Air Force?
why?


Arthur Kramer

He DID go into the Air Force. The ANG is a component of the USAF.

Now why do you insist on posting off topic rants about a better man than you?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (B2431)
Date: 9/5/2004 11:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 11:59 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy or Air
Force?
why?


Arthur Kramer

He DID go into the Air Force. The ANG is a component of the USAF.

Now why do you insist on posting off topic rants about a better man than you?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired



He pulled strings to avoid combat. He is not much of a man.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

He pulled strings to avoid combat. He is not much of a man.

Why join the military if you want to avoid combat? Your juvenile
logic makes no sense to adults.