Kerry didn't join the National Guard to avoid combat.

In article ,
Jack wrote:

Bush was in a chamgaigne unit to avoid the draft. Plain and simple.

A unit that was, at the time he joined, sending pilots on tours to Viet
Nam, among other places, in the Palace Alert program.

You keep forgetting that...

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:32:41 -0700, Steve Hix
wrote:

In article ,
Jack wrote:

Bush was in a chamgaigne unit to avoid the draft. Plain and simple.

A unit that was, at the time he joined, sending pilots on tours to Viet
Nam, among other places, in the Palace Alert program.

You keep forgetting that...

No, I didn't forget that. F-102 jocks flying recce in Viet Nam needed
500 hours in the aircraft. George W. Bush had less than 300 when he
refused his annual flight physical. My point was not against those
flying the F-102 in the ANG. Many of them did stand up and fight when
called.. George W. Bush simply wasn't one of them.


To know the neocon chickenhawks ....... watch what they do .... not
what they say...... Jack

Subject: Kerry didn't join the National Guard to avoid combat.
From: Jack
Date: 9/7/2004 7:45 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:32:41 -0700, Steve Hix
wrote:

In article ,
Jack wrote:

Bush was in a chamgaigne unit to avoid the draft. Plain and simple.

A unit that was, at the time he joined, sending pilots on tours to Viet
Nam, among other places, in the Palace Alert program.

You keep forgetting that...

No, I didn't forget that. F-102 jocks flying recce in Viet Nam needed
500 hours in the aircraft. George W. Bush had less than 300 when he
refused his annual flight physical. My point was not against those
flying the F-102 in the ANG. Many of them did stand up and fight when
called.. George W. Bush simply wasn't one of them.


To know the neocon chickenhawks ....... watch what they do .... not
what they say...... Jack



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or a navigator who never plotted a course. WORTHLESS


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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 08:45:04 -0600, Jack wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:32:41 -0700, Steve Hix
wrote:

In article ,
Jack wrote:

Bush was in a chamgaigne unit to avoid the draft. Plain and simple.


Jack, at least learn to spell champagne. It will lend credibility to
your other ravings.

A unit that was, at the time he joined, sending pilots on tours to Viet
Nam, among other places, in the Palace Alert program.

You keep forgetting that...

No, I didn't forget that. F-102 jocks flying recce in Viet Nam needed
500 hours in the aircraft.

Wrong on two counts. First, F-102s did not fly recce--EVER. They were
interceptors flying air defense alert. And second, the 500 hour
requirement was not for Vietnam deployment but for Palace Alert. Lots
of folks went to SEA with a lot less hours in their system even when
"minimum" requirements were higher.

George W. Bush had less than 300 when he
refused his annual flight physical. My point was not against those
flying the F-102 in the ANG. Many of them did stand up and fight when
called.. George W. Bush simply wasn't one of them.

And, wrong again. You need to read slowly and try not to move your
lips. Bush had approximately 300 hours when he VOLUNTEERED for Palace
Alert--a program to deploy ANG interceptor pilots worldwide (including
SEA) to support USAF operations. The desired minimum was 500 hours,
but could routinely be waived to meet requirements.

He did not take a flight physical when he would not be performing
flight duties during the last several months of his ANG tenure when
the force was being reduced in all units as SEA was coming to a
conclusion.

And, where exactly did you say you were flying during those years?


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
Both from Smithsonian Books
***www.thunderchief.org

"Jack" wrote in message
...

No, I didn't forget that. F-102 jocks flying recce in Viet Nam needed
500 hours in the aircraft.


F-102 jocks didn't fly recce anywhere.

In article ,
Jack wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:32:41 -0700, Steve Hix
wrote:

In article ,
Jack wrote:

Bush was in a chamgaigne unit to avoid the draft. Plain and simple.

A unit that was, at the time he joined, sending pilots on tours to Viet
Nam, among other places, in the Palace Alert program.

You keep forgetting that...

No, I didn't forget that. F-102 jocks flying recce in Viet Nam needed
500 hours in the aircraft.

Which was pointed out to him when he inquired about signing up for the
program.

George W. Bush had less than 300 when he refused his annual flight physical.

Which he did because he was no longer on flying status (the unit was
swtiching from F-102 to F-101, and his hitch had too little time left to
make retraining worth the effort.

My point was not against those
flying the F-102 in the ANG. Many of them did stand up and fight when
called.. George W. Bush simply wasn't one of them.

Since he was never called to do it, you've got not standing for argument.

He was serving as required by the terms of his enlistment; it's no fault
of his that the aircraft they trained him to fly was being taken out of
service.

To know the neocon chickenhawks ....... watch what they do .... not
what they say...... Jack

It's pretty clear that you're not interested in any inconvenient facts.

Yea, you're right. He joined the Naval Reserve to avoid combat.

Never did show up either.

"ArtKramr" wrote

Bush did that.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Bush did that.

But by his own admission, in an account resurfaced by the Boston Globe some
time back, Kerry did admit he volunteered for Swift boat duty because he
thought it would get him into the theater *without* exposing him to actual
combat. "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a
little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in
1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with
the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I
was going to be doing."

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?...1_archive.html

So where does that leave him?

Brooks


Arthur Kramer

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...

But by his own admission, in an account resurfaced by the Boston Globe
some
time back, Kerry did admit he volunteered for Swift boat duty because he
thought it would get him into the theater *without* exposing him to actual
combat. "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a
little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published
in
1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do
with
the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought
I
was going to be doing."

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?...1_archive.html

So where does that leave him?


Uhh, wiser than anyone imagined?

And your still flying that bar stool ya drunk.




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