15 Hour Wonders

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:52:44 -0800, Tango Eight wrote:

Fortunately, those are just minimums. I teach soaring, and I start
teaching soaring pre-solo.

Same is done over he my path to solo is pretty much the norm in my
club except that my first logged flight was an aero-towed launch in an
ASK-21 at Front Royale, VA.

I learnt and was sent solo on a winch and didn't get my solo aero-tow
signoff until after I'd gotten my Silver C.

However, I was being taught how to find and centre thermals (9th flight)
before I was permitted to fly the top half of a winch launch (10th
flight). I flew the whole launch and the landing on my 19th flight with
just under 4.5 hours total time in ASK-21 and G.103 gliders. I was
introduced to the Puchacz on my 20th flight and started learning to plan
circuits on my 24th flight and was sent solo in an ASK-21 on my 80th
flight.


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Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

After solo I flew a total of 20 solo flights, took my commercial add-on
check ride in the morning and was hauling paying passengers in a twin
Lark that afternoon.Â* That was all around the local field and I quickly
got tired of flying for "free" so I bought a Mosquito.

I had a friend who also had a Mosquito and he dragged me along on my
first cross country flight.Â* I never looked back after that.Â* My check
ride consisted of aero tow, stalls, slow flight, and normal and
emergency landings.Â* Soaring?Â* What was that?

On 12/11/2019 6:28 AM, wrote:
Well, there will always be a minimum threshold for everything. The FAA gets to make the decision and the industry must abide by it. Getting the FAA to make changes is like tying to herd cats. I learned what needed to be learned to pass the check ride without ever really "soaring." Soaring generally comes when one has a certificate and goes off in a two seater with an experienced "soaring" pilot.

Walt Connelly




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Dan, 5J

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 7:22:28 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
The FAA has made it possible for glider plots with very limited time to acquire a CFIG rating with only 15 hours of total glider time. This is truly an accident waiting to happen, what could a glider pilot actually know with such limited time? What do you think?

Remembering my friend Capt. McQuigg.

After flying for Evergreen around the world for a couple of months, he would come down to the GP for some ASW27 time. Ok, Captain, that was the worst damn 27 landing I've ever seen Andy!

Well, Gary after flying 90 feet from the cockpit to the ground in 747's to 3' foot off the runway, it does take a bit of time to get that perspective back...... Of course, us glider guys love to pound our buddies in the ground when we see any APPEARANCE in weakness... When did I get pounded the worst by my glider buddies? When I was 2000 feet, miles into the Everglades and they were looking down at me at 5,000!

This has nothing to do with CFGI! We are always in the competition after that rope is released. Let us keep it light here!!!!

Learning to fly an R22 from a kid that looks like he was 14 years would get you grey hairs real quick! And then to see his hand cocked from that stick as you thought you were going to DIE at the first hover was a learning experience I'll cherish the rest of my life! I made it!

Good point!

I remember the 747 captains from Dallas who would drop it in at Black
Forest due to the higher true airspeed (ground speed) give the 9,000+
foot density altitude we so often had.

On 12/13/2019 4:02 PM, Gary Wayland wrote:
On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 7:22:28 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
The FAA has made it possible for glider plots with very limited time to acquire a CFIG rating with only 15 hours of total glider time. This is truly an accident waiting to happen, what could a glider pilot actually know with such limited time? What do you think?
Remembering my friend Capt. McQuigg.

After flying for Evergreen around the world for a couple of months, he would come down to the GP for some ASW27 time. Ok, Captain, that was the worst damn 27 landing I've ever seen Andy!

Well, Gary after flying 90 feet from the cockpit to the ground in 747's to 3' foot off the runway, it does take a bit of time to get that perspective back...... Of course, us glider guys love to pound our buddies in the ground when we see any APPEARANCE in weakness... When did I get pounded the worst by my glider buddies? When I was 2000 feet, miles into the Everglades and they were looking down at me at 5,000!

This has nothing to do with CFGI! We are always in the competition after that rope is released. Let us keep it light here!!!!

Learning to fly an R22 from a kid that looks like he was 14 years would get you grey hairs real quick! And then to see his hand cocked from that stick as you thought you were going to DIE at the first hover was a learning experience I'll cherish the rest of my life! I made it!

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Dan, 5J

Learning to fly an R22 from a kid that looks like he was 14 years would get you grey hairs real quick! And then to see his hand cocked from that stick as you thought you were going to DIE at the first hover was a learning experience I'll cherish the rest of my life! I made it!

I took one intro flight in an R22, read the documents informing you of the SFAR and the special training requiements and opted for the Guimbal Cabri G2. Got my rating in the Guimbal which has a few quirks of its own. True, the oldest instructor was a middle 20 something and there were instructors there who had never done a sign off for student solo or practical test but that is largely the nature of flight instuction these days. Now going to do some advanced training with a nice young guy, under 300 hours total but he appears to me to have the requisite flying skills and verbal capacity. Again, it's not all about hours but SKILL, ABILITY especially in the communications phase and the proper personality. Just because you are a world aerobatic champion with far more skill than the average CFIG candidate doesn't mean you can properly train a glider pilot. I'm actually impressed with the youngster with whom I am not doing the whirlybird thing.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter pilot.

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 3:25:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Learning to fly an R22 from a kid that looks like he was 14 years would get you grey hairs real quick! And then to see his hand cocked from that stick as you thought you were going to DIE at the first hover was a learning experience I'll cherish the rest of my life! I made it!

I took one intro flight in an R22, read the documents informing you of the SFAR and the special training requiements and opted for the Guimbal Cabri G2. Got my rating in the Guimbal which has a few quirks of its own. True, the oldest instructor was a middle 20 something and there were instructors there who had never done a sign off for student solo or practical test but that is largely the nature of flight instuction these days. Now going to do some advanced training with a nice young guy, under 300 hours total but he appears to me to have the requisite flying skills and verbal capacity. Again, it's not all about hours but SKILL, ABILITY especially in the communications phase and the proper personality. Just because you are a world aerobatic champion with far more skill than the average CFIG candidate doesn't mean you can properly train a glider pilot. I'm actually impressed with the youngster with whom I am not doing the whirlybird thing.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter pilot.

The kid was like 20! But, he was a good stick from Switzerland. But when I did my check ride in the R22, the examiner was an old pro. I learned more in the short flight then my entire time with my instructor, other than the basics...... I'm not taking anything from the instructor. Both made me a good Heli pilot...

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 12:25:35 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Learning to fly an R22 from a kid that looks like he was 14 years would get you grey hairs real quick! And then to see his hand cocked from that stick as you thought you were going to DIE at the first hover was a learning experience I'll cherish the rest of my life! I made it!

I took one intro flight in an R22, read the documents informing you of the SFAR and the special training requiements and opted for the Guimbal Cabri G2. Got my rating in the Guimbal which has a few quirks of its own. True, the oldest instructor was a middle 20 something and there were instructors there who had never done a sign off for student solo or practical test but that is largely the nature of flight instuction these days. Now going to do some advanced training with a nice young guy, under 300 hours total but he appears to me to have the requisite flying skills and verbal capacity. Again, it's not all about hours but SKILL, ABILITY especially in the communications phase and the proper personality. Just because you are a world aerobatic champion with far more skill than the average CFIG candidate doesn't mean you can properly train a glider pilot. I'm actually impressed with the youngster with whom I am not doing the whirlybird thing.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter pilot.

Walt you should really try to find more experienced instructor. I believe a helicopter pilot with under 500 hours is still very much a student. If you are near Southern Cal get sometime with Chin Tu at Civic in Carlsbad.

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 4:54:32 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 12:25:35 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Learning to fly an R22 from a kid that looks like he was 14 years would get you grey hairs real quick! And then to see his hand cocked from that stick as you thought you were going to DIE at the first hover was a learning experience I'll cherish the rest of my life! I made it!

I took one intro flight in an R22, read the documents informing you of the SFAR and the special training requiements and opted for the Guimbal Cabri G2. Got my rating in the Guimbal which has a few quirks of its own. True, the oldest instructor was a middle 20 something and there were instructors there who had never done a sign off for student solo or practical test but that is largely the nature of flight instuction these days. Now going to do some advanced training with a nice young guy, under 300 hours total but he appears to me to have the requisite flying skills and verbal capacity.. Again, it's not all about hours but SKILL, ABILITY especially in the communications phase and the proper personality. Just because you are a world aerobatic champion with far more skill than the average CFIG candidate doesn't mean you can properly train a glider pilot. I'm actually impressed with the youngster with whom I am not doing the whirlybird thing.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter pilot.

Walt you should really try to find more experienced instructor. I believe a helicopter pilot with under 500 hours is still very much a student. If you are near Southern Cal get sometime with Chin Tu at Civic in Carlsbad.

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 4:54:32 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 12:25:35 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Learning to fly an R22 from a kid that looks like he was 14 years would get you grey hairs real quick! And then to see his hand cocked from that stick as you thought you were going to DIE at the first hover was a learning experience I'll cherish the rest of my life! I made it!

I took one intro flight in an R22, read the documents informing you of the SFAR and the special training requiements and opted for the Guimbal Cabri G2. Got my rating in the Guimbal which has a few quirks of its own. True, the oldest instructor was a middle 20 something and there were instructors there who had never done a sign off for student solo or practical test but that is largely the nature of flight instuction these days. Now going to do some advanced training with a nice young guy, under 300 hours total but he appears to me to have the requisite flying skills and verbal capacity.. Again, it's not all about hours but SKILL, ABILITY especially in the communications phase and the proper personality. Just because you are a world aerobatic champion with far more skill than the average CFIG candidate doesn't mean you can properly train a glider pilot. I'm actually impressed with the youngster with whom I am not doing the whirlybird thing.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter pilot.

Walt you should really try to find more experienced instructor. I believe a helicopter pilot with under 500 hours is still very much a student. If you are near Southern Cal get sometime with Chin Tu at Civic in Carlsbad.

I already have my PPL helicopter, trying to find out how old the oldest successful candidate for a CPL Helicopter might have been, I'd like to take it at an older age. I believe my examiner thinks I'm the oldest successful PPL Rotorcaft candidate he has examined. Don't ever intend to fly or work again, just find myself with disposable income and what better way to dispose of it than flying.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot

:-D

On 12/14/2019 4:52 PM, wrote:
just find myself with disposable income and what better way to dispose of it than flying.

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Dan, 5J