Ventus 2b vs ASW27b ..Which is the better / nicer aircraft?

Some of the suggested costs from American contributors about refinishing
astonish me. I had the whole of my ASW27 refinished in PU by Aerospool in
Slovakia in 2017. They did a superb job at much much less than the numbers
being mentioned in this forum. Ask them for a quotation, probably for next
winter. They even drilled the 1500 holes to ensure the blown wing works
usual. It is still immaculate. I have no idea about the cost of
transporting a container from the USA with three gliders, but it is worth
looking into. (Transport wasn't that easy for me either: 1000miles each way
from UK twice. 10 days' driving!)

Cost of living difference between most of USA and Eastern europe is stark.

10 days to drive 1000 miles? 1000 miles is a 1-1.5 day effort here...

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 5:27:10 PM UTC-8, Tony wrote:
Cost of living difference between most of USA and Eastern europe is stark.

10 days to drive 1000 miles? 1000 miles is a 1-1.5 day effort here...

Thank President Eisenhower and his interstate

At 02:19 24 December 2019, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 5:27:10 PM UTC-8, Tony wrote:
Cost of living difference between most of USA and Eastern europe is
stark.

10 days to drive 1000 miles? 1000 miles is a 1-1.5 day effort here...

Thank President Eisenhower and his interstate

You have to factor in the English Channel, speed restrictions in Germany,
and a change of time zone. I did the journey with my 27 (which I intend to
be buried in!) 1100 miles each way. 2 stops on the way S including
Maastrict and Prague, a night in Previdsa and one stop (Regensburg) on the
way home. Altogether 10 days for two round trips.

Aerospool do a terrific job. Mine cost around 16,000 Euro in 2012 including
the fitting of a Strobl solar panel.

To address the first question: The 27 is better in strong conditions, the
Ventus is better when thermals 2kts. Other than that it is a matter of
aesthetics.

Jim

For the life of me I cannot see how a glider that costs 6 figures can need gelcoat replacement in 10-15 years when my 1980 DG still has perfect original gelcoat.
Frankly, I wouldn’t buy any glider with crap gelcoat that won’t last.

JJ
How does that LS7 go against the -27 and V2 at gross wt?
I've got a nice LS3a now with all the bells and whistles.
I want to make a large step up.
Not a step to the side.
Merry Christmas to you and Pat!

The 7 is standard class, so it’ll give it up to flapped ship above 70 knots. BTW, my old LS-6 will be on the market soon and it’s recently been refinished in AU.........,she’s been busted, but she runs with cherry birds! It was put back together by a Master Mechanic .....😇
JJ

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 8:33:12 PM UTC-5, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Same condition
Same trailer
Same instruments and accessories
Which is the better ship for strong western thermal racing conditions?
Why?
Thanks in advance for those in the know!
T

ASW27b is the best. Why? I own one!

I flew Captain McQuiggs 27 in 1999. I ordered one the following week. Nineteen years and one refinish and will never sell until I retire from gliders...

Light wings. Easy to rig on the ground. Plenty of room. A ton of room for all the stuff you don't need at the instrument panel...

We don't need no stinking 18 Meter wing! lol

ASW27b 27-148

"SQ"

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-8, Gary Wayland wrote:
On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 8:33:12 PM UTC-5, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Same condition
Same trailer
Same instruments and accessories
Which is the better ship for strong western thermal racing conditions?
Why?
Thanks in advance for those in the know!
T

ASW27b is the best. Why? I own one!

I flew Captain McQuiggs 27 in 1999. I ordered one the following week. Nineteen years and one refinish and will never sell until I retire from gliders...

Light wings. Easy to rig on the ground. Plenty of room. A ton of room for all the stuff you don't need at the instrument panel...

We don't need no stinking 18 Meter wing! lol

ASW27b 27-148

"SQ"

That extra 3 meters of wing in a 29 equals about 50 pounds more wieght per wing as compared to 27.

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:04:24 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-8, Gary Wayland wrote:
On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 8:33:12 PM UTC-5, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Same condition
Same trailer
Same instruments and accessories
Which is the better ship for strong western thermal racing conditions?
Why?
Thanks in advance for those in the know!
T

ASW27b is the best. Why? I own one!

I flew Captain McQuiggs 27 in 1999. I ordered one the following week. Nineteen years and one refinish and will never sell until I retire from gliders...

Light wings. Easy to rig on the ground. Plenty of room. A ton of room for all the stuff you don't need at the instrument panel...

We don't need no stinking 18 Meter wing! lol

ASW27b 27-148

"SQ"

That extra 3 meters of wing in a 29 equals about 50 pounds more wieght per wing as compared to 27.

That will make a difference in putting your ship in the box after a long flight.

I hate to say, but im not in my thirties! Now I think about those things.

If I ever sell and stay in the hobby, I'll look for another Libelle! The homesick angel!

Soaring is more than L/D! The 27 has got to be the most comfortable glider I ever flew. No problem in flying 4 hours plus wearing a National 412 with the GRF under the butt. 6' at 200.