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Marines unable to take Fallujah
The Commandant of the Marines said today, that his troops "will
not be able to enter Fallujah, Iraq for years." He said that until that time, they will have to "rely on the Air Force ability to collect airborne intelligence," and try and "plink them into submission." "They have enough weapons and men to hold us off longer than the Knights Templar in the same situation. Unless we are given orders to destroy the city, it will continue to be a thorn in the sides of any democratic Iraqi regime." It's a sad day for the Marine Corps. |
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Subject: Marines unable to take Fallujah
From: "Bob Coe" Date: 9/24/2004 9:03 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: YyX4d.79$gk.33@okepread01 The Commandant of the Marines said today, that his troops "will not be able to enter Fallujah, Iraq for years." He said that until that time, they will have to "rely on the Air Force ability to collect airborne intelligence," and try and "plink them into submission." "They have enough weapons and men to hold us off longer than the Knights Templar in the same situation. Unless we are given orders to destroy the city, it will continue to be a thorn in the sides of any democratic Iraqi regime." It's a sad day for the Marine Corps. It's NAM all over again. Politicians running the show. Rumsfeld gotta go. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Bob Coe wrote: The Commandant of the Marines said today, that his troops "will not be able to enter Fallujah, Iraq for years." He said that until that time, they will have to "rely on the Air Force ability to collect airborne intelligence," and try and "plink them into submission." "They have enough weapons and men to hold us off longer than the Knights Templar in the same situation. Unless we are given orders to destroy the city, it will continue to be a thorn in the sides of any democratic Iraqi regime." It's a sad day for the Marine Corps. Well yeah, Marines denied the opportunity to "secure" a target aren't happy campers. The Marines could take Fallujah in very short order if the gloves came off. Taking the city and minimizing civilian casualties is another thig entirely though. Fallujah can be contained and the moderately successful "pick them off remotely" strategy can continue. There is already evidence that some inhabitants of Fallujah have had it up to here with the insurgents and are ready to drop a dime on them. The insurgents want to lure US Forces into the constricted areas of a crowded city. They have no compunction at all about causing civilian casualties remember. Why should we let them dictate the terms of engagement. IBM __________________________________________________ _____________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
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"ibm" wrote
There is already evidence that some inhabitants of Fallujah have had it up to here with the insurgents and are ready to drop a dime on them. According to my son, who just came back after an 18 month tour, he says most of the women, children, and old people have left Fallujah. It's basically a "Deadwood" now, and he couldn't figure out why we still let them have electricity and water?? But he never got within 50 miles of the place, spending most of his time in Najaf, and Baghdad (Firebase Melody and Camp Marlboro). |
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Bob Coe wrote:
The Commandant of the Marines said today, that his troops "will not be able to enter Fallujah, Iraq for years." He said that until that time, they will have to "rely on the Air Force ability to collect airborne intelligence," and try and "plink them into submission." "They have enough weapons and men to hold us off longer than the Knights Templar in the same situation. Unless we are given orders to destroy the city, it will continue to be a thorn in the sides of any democratic Iraqi regime." It's a sad day for the Marine Corps. Why is this a sad day for the Corps? The Corps could take the city in a matter of days, IF they were given unlimited ROE. It's just not a reasonable move to allow them unrestricted ROE. Unfortunately, especially given the terrorists expertise is setting up ambushes and situations designed to cause the highest rate of civilian causalities (and none of the media ever bother trying to determine whose bullets killed the civilians), this would cause even more damage to the US side than if the US stays outside of Fallujah and waits them out. At some point the civilians will get tired of the terrorists ruling their town and either throw them out themselves or start providing enough intelligence to allow the US to do so. |
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"Bob Coe" wrote in message news:YyX4d.79$gk.33@okepread01... The Commandant of the Marines said today, that his troops "will not be able to enter Fallujah, Iraq for years." He said that until that time, they will have to "rely on the Air Force ability to collect airborne intelligence," and try and "plink them into submission." Where did this come from? A Google News search reveals no such comments from the Commandant. The closest I could find were a couple of weeks old, and your translation is NOT what he really said: "There doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel," Marine Corps spokesman Maj. Jason Johnson said Tuesday. "But it's not that kind of conflict where you have big tactical victories that make everybody feel good about things." Johnson referred to a recent message by Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee, who told a gathering of reporters at the National Press Club that he aimed for a long-term win ---- or Big W,' as he put it ---- in Iraq. "We don't want a 'Little W,'" Hagee said, according to the Defense Department's news service. "There is no one in Iraq who does not understand that if we wanted to come in and level Fallujah, level Ramadi, level An-Najaf, we could do that, but that's not mission accomplishment. That's the 'Little W.' We need the 'Big W' here." http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004...5_379_7_04.txt What is the source? Brooks "They have enough weapons and men to hold us off longer than the Knights Templar in the same situation. Unless we are given orders to destroy the city, it will continue to be a thorn in the sides of any democratic Iraqi regime." It's a sad day for the Marine Corps. |
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But he never got within 50 miles of the place, spending most of his time in Najaf, and Baghdad (Firebase Melody and Camp Marlboro). There was a video on the web a while back of FB Melody taking a rocket attack. Glad your son is home safe, Bob! The names of these temporary military encampments is always interesting. In the closing days of WWII, tens of thousands of Allied bomber crewmen were released from German captivity - they were sheparded into large tent cities where they could be sorted out. The biggest was Camp Lucky Strike. I guess the cigarette lobby was pretty powerful even back then... v/r Gordon ====(A+C==== USN SAR Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine. |
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"Dav1936531" wrote
If the US had dealt in a merciless and brutal fashion with the Fallujah insurgency, the remainder of anyone leaning towards insurgency wouldn't be quite so ready to leap out into the street to create problems. Which is pretty much how Saddam controlled things. Maybe he wasn't so bad after all? Maybe the people he killed deserved to die? The U.S. has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did. The streets of Najaf were running with Shiite blood. Something never seen after the Kuwait war. |
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