F-14 on the History Channel's "Modern Marvels"

In article f5Hqb.3709$0d2.2508@lakeread06, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Harry,

Not a problem. I post here from time to time but my jobs kind of keep me
from posting too much. Active frowns on speaking too much unless it is
generic. There are a lot who post here know me professionally.


I hear that. So many conversations here that I can't contribute to because
of security. Newsgroups are world-wide.
As you say, generic.

Pleasure to meet you too.

BTW, I was in Pax off and on in the late 70's early 80's supporting the
F/A-18 flight test program. Were you there then?

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Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:04:58 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Played with some interesting test beds and test programs like the F15
ADVANCE and F18 HARV out of MD, new engine program for the F14 A+, (now

HARV wasn't a McAir program, it was a NASA program. McAir provided
the usual airframe support that they provide for all our research and
support F-18s, but that was all.

known as the B) flew the X-29 that is hanging in the Smithsonian. Joint test
program on the YF22 and the X35.

No, you didn't. That's not a flight article. It's a mockup. Hanging
from the Smithsonian ceiling is probably higher off the ground than it
every got before.

Been there, Seen it, Done that.

Sure.

I'll check tomorrow and see when you flew HARV and X-29, if the Ops
scheduler has time to look through the flight logs. Or maybe I'll
call the project test pilots.

Mary

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Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

Mary

I know the HARV was a NASA program and the 29 at the Smithsonian is a mock
up. Read my post a litle more careful.

I do have time in the 29, my reference to one hanging in the Air and Space
Museum was just that - looking up at it brought back memories. (Poorly
worded)

As for the HARV, DARPA most definitely had input. I had quite a bit of
flight data from the HARV come across my desk. No where did I say I flew
the test program.

email me privately, (take out the nospam) and I will give you some contact
information if you like)

Jake


"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:04:58 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Played with some interesting test beds and test programs like the F15
ADVANCE and F18 HARV out of MD, new engine program for the F14 A+, (now

HARV wasn't a McAir program, it was a NASA program. McAir provided
the usual airframe support that they provide for all our research and
support F-18s, but that was all.

known as the B) flew the X-29 that is hanging in the Smithsonian. Joint
test
program on the YF22 and the X35.

No, you didn't. That's not a flight article. It's a mockup. Hanging
from the Smithsonian ceiling is probably higher off the ground than it
every got before.

Been there, Seen it, Done that.

Sure.

I'll check tomorrow and see when you flew HARV and X-29, if the Ops
scheduler has time to look through the flight logs. Or maybe I'll
call the project test pilots.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:11:27 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

I do have time in the 29, my reference to one hanging in the Air and Space
Museum was just that - looking up at it brought back memories. (Poorly
worded)

Not knowing that the model even existed, I was astounded to walk into
that gallery and see the model when I was at NASM back when I knew,
without a doubt, that both aircraft were at Dryden. Realistic, isn't
it? I think it was an antenna model, but that doesn't seem likely.
That's more something you do for production aircraft than for research
aircraft. But if not, what was it for?

For some authentic nostalgia, you should come to Dryden. We've got
one of the X-29s on a pad out in front of Dryden now; we've stopped
giving every plane we ever flew to someone else's museum. Of course,
it's kind of a motley collection, comprising two lifting bodies, one
LLRV, an X-29, an F-104G, an SR-71A, the X-1E, and two F-8s (one the
Digital Fly-By-Wire and the other the SuperCritical Wing). We've also
got the X-15 mock-up, which looks pretty good for being a complete
fake.

As for the HARV, DARPA most definitely had input. I had quite a bit of
flight data from the HARV come across my desk. No where did I say I flew
the test program.

You're right--DARPA was definitely in the loop on HARV and I misread
what you wrote. Sorry. I knew we'd had a bunch of guest pilots at one
time and assumed you were one of them. It's too bad you didn't get to
fly it, as it was, I'm told, a lot of fun to fly. We sure did get a
lot out of that program, too, as you know from the masses of data you
saw. Ken did the S&C estimates on it, now that I think about it. I
spent some time advocating an HMD (not an HMS, because we weren't
supposed to do weapons system stuff, of course) but never got
anywhere. The airframe went back to the Navy about a year ago and I
don't know what they've done with it.

Weren't you involved with X-31? Fast Eddie thought you were, but
we're not sure.

Mary

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Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer