Aircraft Carrier naming

Fleet oilers:
USS Chevron-Texaco, USS Valero, USS Arco, USS Beacon, USS Rotten Robbie,
etc.

Arco was purchased by BP a few years ago - would USS Arco get a name
"upgrade"?

Regards,
Frank

"Mike Kanze" wrote in message
...
Wait until the Navy starts accepting commercial sponsors in order to
increase their budget. We could be looking at the USS Taco Bell some day.
Before you laugh, don't forget that local and state governments are
already
renaming public sport and civic centers after commercial investors as a
source of income. Lets face it, nothing is sacred when it comes to money.

A concept that may work well for getting the ship built, but that founders
(pun intended) if the ship is heavily damaged or sunk.

In the civilian world, consumer products companies weigh this risk all the
time when choosing their media. Think of the risk / reward trade-off for
plastering your brand's logo on a race car and you'll get the idea.

******

On a humorous note, would anyone in r.a.m.n. wish to contribute to a list
of
ship classes with corresponding prospective commercial name sponsors?

For example:

Fleet oilers:
USS Chevron-Texaco, USS Valero, USS Arco, USS Beacon, USS Rotten Robbie,
etc.

(I think you get the idea.)

--
Mike Kanze

"Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on
society."

-Mark Twain


"John Fitzpatrick" wrote in message
...
Wait until the Navy starts accepting commercial sponsors in order
to
increase their budget. We could be looking at the USS Taco Bell some
day.
Before you laugh, don't forget that local and state governments are
already
renaming public sport and civic centers after commercial investors as a
source of income. Lets face it, nothing is sacred when it comes to
money.


Fitz
"Bob" wrote in message
om...
Anybody else bothered by the naming of US aircraft carriers after
people who were still living at the time? I'm sure that Carl Vinson
(CVN-70) & John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did good thing but to have a
carrier named after them? I wish the US Navy would go back to naming
carriers after famous battles & ships. Would it not be great to have
in the fleet carriers again named USS Hornet, Lexington, Saratoga,
Oriskany. It would honor the sailors that served on these great ships.

And how about another USS Yorktown . Served on CV-10 . 2-63 to 6-65 .
Good duty , Two WestPacs , Loved my homeport . Long Beach .

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:58:57 -0500 (EST), in rec.aviation.military.naval
(T Bird) wrote:

And how about another USS Yorktown . Served on CV-10 . 2-63 to 6-65 .
Good duty , Two WestPacs , Loved my homeport . Long Beach .

I'm still holding out for a new LANGLEY.

(Bob) wrote:

Anybody else bothered by the naming of US aircraft carriers after
people who were still living at the time? I'm sure that Carl Vinson
(CVN-70) & John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did good thing but to have a
carrier named after them? I wish the US Navy would go back to naming
carriers after famous battles & ships. Would it not be great to have
in the fleet carriers again named USS Hornet, Lexington, Saratoga,
Oriskany. It would honor the sailors that served on these great ships.

Many, as evidence by the numerous threads in s.m.n over the
years. To no noticeable effect on the current naming policies of
SecNav [with the advice of the current President, Congress,
etc.]. As the KOG pithily observed, "Fish don't vote."
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

In article ,
on 17 Jan 2004 15:20:41 -0800,
Bob attempted to say .....

Anybody else bothered by the naming of US aircraft carriers after
people who were still living at the time? I'm sure that Carl Vinson
(CVN-70) & John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did good thing but to have a
carrier named after them? I wish the US Navy would go back to naming
carriers after famous battles & ships. Would it not be great to have
in the fleet carriers again named USS Hornet, Lexington, Saratoga,
Oriskany. It would honor the sailors that served on these great ships.


AMEN

No ship should be named for a living person.



--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

Tank Fixer wrote:

In article ,
on 17 Jan 2004 15:20:41 -0800,
Bob attempted to say .....


Anybody else bothered by the naming of US aircraft carriers after
people who were still living at the time? I'm sure that Carl Vinson
(CVN-70) & John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did good thing but to have a
carrier named after them? I wish the US Navy would go back to naming
carriers after famous battles & ships. Would it not be great to have
in the fleet carriers again named USS Hornet, Lexington, Saratoga,
Oriskany. It would honor the sailors that served on these great ships.



AMEN

No ship should be named for a living person.



While I would normally agree, I can think of two exceptions.

I think it was an appropriate when the Navy named a destroyer after Adm.
Arleigh Burke and a supply ship after Bob Hope while they were still alive.

ALV

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:52:02 GMT, "Andrew.Venor"
wrote:


While I would normally agree, I can think of two exceptions.

I think it was an appropriate when the Navy named a destroyer after Adm.
Arleigh Burke and a supply ship after Bob Hope while they were still alive.

ALV

Maybe.

However, I must admit to a definite prejudice when it comes to how the
US names its ships.

We just....well...

We suck at it, alright?

In WAR (a Play-by-email sim I play in), I was trying to create
something of a naming policy for the Israeli Navy (just so I had a
post in, and because I was bored, and because I figured I may want to
do a round of naval expansion later on, so I may as well set down such
things.). So I wander over to FAS, Navy sites, etc. See how the US
does it, since I don't speak Hebrew IRL.

Policy? What policy?
Besides the fact that most of the names suck. (When compared to, say,
the British naming traditions.)

We need standards. Badly.

In article , Penta
writes
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:52:02 GMT, "Andrew.Venor"
wrote:


While I would normally agree, I can think of two exceptions.

I think it was an appropriate when the Navy named a destroyer after Adm.
Arleigh Burke and a supply ship after Bob Hope while they were still alive.

ALV

Maybe.

However, I must admit to a definite prejudice when it comes to how the
US names its ships.

We just....well...

We suck at it, alright?

In WAR (a Play-by-email sim I play in), I was trying to create
something of a naming policy for the Israeli Navy (just so I had a
post in, and because I was bored, and because I figured I may want to
do a round of naval expansion later on, so I may as well set down such
things.). So I wander over to FAS, Navy sites, etc. See how the US
does it, since I don't speak Hebrew IRL.

Policy? What policy?
Besides the fact that most of the names suck. (When compared to, say,
the British naming traditions.)

Names like Invincible and Illustrious are fine, but Indomitable and
Indefatigable are a bit of a mouthful.

I always liked the alternative names for the old RN carriers Glorious,
Furious and Courageous - Curious, Spurious and Outrageous!

I've always found the USN system of naming carriers after presidents a
bit odd, probably because if we did something similar the navy would end
up having to persuade tars that it would be an honour to serve in HMS
Harold Wilson or HMS Tony Blair (shudder). Imagine having to walk around
with "Margaret Thatcher" on your cap band!

We need standards. Badly.

Naming major ships after politicians loses you the traditional names, as
a previous poster pointed out. Surely a sailor would be happier in the
USS Saratoga than in the USS Wilbert Z. Bloggs?
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

Peter,

I've always found the USN system of naming carriers after presidents a bit
odd, probably because if we did something similar the navy would end up
having to persuade tars that it would be an honour to serve in HMS Harold
Wilson or HMS Tony Blair (shudder).

You think that's bad? How about HMS Neville Chamberlain? Yeesh!

On the other hand Britain has had many glorious national figures either
predating Parliament (Boudica) or extraneous to it (Hotspur, Black Prince,
Lionheart). These have provided the RN a wonderful source of inspirational
ship names.

Imagine having to walk around with "Margaret Thatcher" on your cap band!

Or tattooed anywhere. g

******

Digression on cap bands with ship's names:

My Dad started his naval service as a gunner's mate on the USS TENNESSEE
(BB-34) during the mid-1930s. At that time US Navy enlisted were still
issued flathats, with one's ship's name on the hat ribbon like the RN still
does.

Sometime around the late 1930s, the US Navy switched to a standard hat
ribbon that simply read "US NAVY." According to Dad, the Navy did this
because having a ship's name on the hat ribbon was an invitation to
fisticuffs if crew from more than one ship found themselves drinking in the
same bar.

Not unlike gang clothing / "colors" in the US today.

Dad adds that this was a time when there was considerable unit pride within
individual ships. More positive expressions of this pride were found in
athletic activities like softball leagues, boxing "smokers," liberty boat
races (these had oars back then) and the like. It was quite an honor, for
example, to be the Pacific Fleet boxing champion in one's weight class.

******

Surely a sailor would be happier in the USS Saratoga than in the USS
Wilbert Z. Bloggs?

I suppose.

I've always thought it somewhat ironic that USS SARATOGA (CV-3) found itself
serving with HM Indian Ocean forces at one point in WWII. But probably
preferable to the RN having to endure the presence of USS YORKTOWN (CV-5).
g

******

Another anomaly about US Navy ship names - until fairly recently in our
ship-naming history it was very difficult - maybe even impossible - to find
ships named after US Civil War battles in which the South prevailed. For
example only recently have we now a USS CHANCELORSVILLE (CG-62), named for
what was perhaps Lee's most brilliant victory in that conflict. But we've
yet to see a USS MANASSAS, other than in an episode of "JAG" that ran in
2000. And we probably never will since Manassas (also called Bull Run,
located in Virginia near Washington, DC) is where the North lost not one,
but two battles.

This simply proves that winners get to write the history - and name the
ships after *their* brilliant victories.

--
Mike Kanze

"Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."

-Mark Twain


"Peter Twydell" wrote in message
...
In article , Penta
writes
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:52:02 GMT, "Andrew.Venor"
wrote:


While I would normally agree, I can think of two exceptions.

I think it was an appropriate when the Navy named a destroyer after Adm.
Arleigh Burke and a supply ship after Bob Hope while they were still
alive.

ALV

Maybe.

However, I must admit to a definite prejudice when it comes to how the
US names its ships.

We just....well...

We suck at it, alright?

In WAR (a Play-by-email sim I play in), I was trying to create
something of a naming policy for the Israeli Navy (just so I had a
post in, and because I was bored, and because I figured I may want to
do a round of naval expansion later on, so I may as well set down such
things.). So I wander over to FAS, Navy sites, etc. See how the US
does it, since I don't speak Hebrew IRL.

Policy? What policy?
Besides the fact that most of the names suck. (When compared to, say,
the British naming traditions.)

Names like Invincible and Illustrious are fine, but Indomitable and
Indefatigable are a bit of a mouthful.

I always liked the alternative names for the old RN carriers Glorious,
Furious and Courageous - Curious, Spurious and Outrageous!

I've always found the USN system of naming carriers after presidents a
bit odd, probably because if we did something similar the navy would end
up having to persuade tars that it would be an honour to serve in HMS
Harold Wilson or HMS Tony Blair (shudder). Imagine having to walk around
with "Margaret Thatcher" on your cap band!

We need standards. Badly.

Naming major ships after politicians loses you the traditional names, as
a previous poster pointed out. Surely a sailor would be happier in the
USS Saratoga than in the USS Wilbert Z. Bloggs?
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

Peter- I always liked the alternative names for the old RN carriers Glorious,
Furious and Courageous - Curious, Spurious and Outrageous! BRBR

Forrestal-FID-First in Diffuculty
"Sinking' Sara
USS Indigestion
Bonnie Dick
Ammmerikka
Midway-Maru

Sure their are others......

P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer