Cheap paint job

Most of the costs of painting is the prep work!!

If you dont mind flying a ugly airplane, start stripping it yourself a
piece at a time.
It can be a flying project. One wing per weekend.
If you do this, you are going to need the correct stripper to do a good
job.
Don't go to Home Depot to get stripper, it doesn't work worth Sh$t. Go
to the airplane store and get real stripper or go to some of the quality
automotive paint stores and get stripper that will work with the paints
like Imron.
As always, you will want to power wash the plane after each stripping as
stripping stuff will corrode if left in the seams.

When your finished, you may like the look of a shinny aluminum airplane!

Or have someone paint it at that point.

Dave


jsmith wrote:
If you are going to use IMRON, you MUST, REPEAT, MUST wear full body
protection with the minimum of a pressure hood.
Spraying IMRON in an enclosed area without this protection will KILL you.
IMRON and others paints of this family contain cyanide which is absorbed
through the exposed skin.
This is very serious stuff and requires knowledge, respect and
understanding of the material.

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:54:38 -0600, Paul Folbrecht
wrote:

The paint shop nearest me wants $7K to do a 152 (2 colors). I can't
justify that for a $20K bird; the current paint isn't that bad. Is
there any way at all to get a real paint job done for, say, closer to
half that??

Paul -

Painting an aircraft is not difficult, but requires a lot of
speciality stuff that 99% of us don't have access. Nor is it cost
effective to acquire and assemble the material.

I'd recommend shopping the job around and having the paint done by
professional. It would be a shame to spend a few $K on your own
paintjob only to have it turn out poorly, or start peeling 1-2 years
later. Alternatively - you might be able to talk a paint shop into
doing a reduced rate if you do all the prep work in their shop under
their guidance.

Also, $7k seems high for a 152. I bet you can get $5k if you shop it
around.

Other concerns with doing the job yourself:
1. Stripping and prepping the aircraft - what will you do with the
waste? Airports and the EPA are serious about this stuff.

2. Do you have an HVLP gun with breathing rig? Imron can kill you if
you don't have a good O2 supply. Most setups go for about $1k.

3. Do you have a paint booth/clean room for the painting? How will
you keep bugs/dirt off of the paint while drying? If not - how will
you keep overspray off of the rest of the airport? This is a non
trivial concern. You definitely do NOT want to ruin a $20k paintjob
on the 421 in the hangar next to yours!

-Nathan

$7K isn't unreasonable for a shop paint job. Remember, the paint is
a small fraction of the cost. Painting is labor-intensive, and you're
paying for knowledge of knowing what to do.

So? What is your profession, how long did it take to train, how
long to be reasonably proficient, and how much are you worth?

As the offspring of two capitalists (sales, both mom and dad), I
understand and appreciate the value of quality work. And I have
no problem with a reasonable profit. Now, when I get ripped off
then I get annoyed and deal with it in an appropriate (non-physical)
manner. Personally, I consider my lawyer my most dangerous weapon.

And when the estimate is so high to be obscene, then I go elsewhere.

I have found a lot of profiteering gluttons in aviation industry about 79%
of people in the industry are so "money hungry" they price themselves in to
the poor house with extreme prices, substandard products, Laziness, Poor
workmanship, and Equipment then complain that so and so is making money and
wonder why they are not. The truth is the so and so person is a better
businessman and works off of volume rather than getting the most money he
can out of one customer once.

Shop 1 sells an item for $900.95 ea this shop sells 5 units a week Items
cost is $850.00 Total profit of $254.75
Shop 2 sells the same item for $888.95 ea & has better service this shop
sell 7 units a week Items cost is $850.00 Total profit of $272.65

Above is how Wal-Mart dose it and what if the wholesale price break is at 8
units and shop 2 gets a 10% price break from supply house for buying in bulk
humm they make more money or may pass the discount to the customer. As for
labor idd rather give my money to a place that is fairly priced shop that
has all the proper tools and keeps misc parts nuts bolts ect in stock and
not inflate the charge of shop materials & hard ware the rip off places that
charge you $2.00 for a $0.25 Nut that cost them $0.07. but most of all if a
business is not punctual they will not get my business.

I am going to maybe join a aircraft club a lot of older folks in the club
that are A&P's, IA's, Instructors and average folks that are trying to make
flying enjoyable and affordable I think the club's yearly dues should be
more for what they offer and what is it they offer idd say. "connection's
and trustworthy people" and a great learning environment.

As in every thing do your due diligence and buyer be ware the most expensive
place is not always the best place to do business and these people that
think their time is worth XXX for XXX reasons mostly just bull and watch out
for the drug dealer tactics the first ones free then they stick their hand
in your wallet and got for your bank account.

MRQB
PP-ASEL


"Blanche" wrote in message
...
$7K isn't unreasonable for a shop paint job. Remember, the paint is
a small fraction of the cost. Painting is labor-intensive, and you're
paying for knowledge of knowing what to do.

So? What is your profession, how long did it take to train, how
long to be reasonably proficient, and how much are you worth?

As the offspring of two capitalists (sales, both mom and dad), I
understand and appreciate the value of quality work. And I have
no problem with a reasonable profit. Now, when I get ripped off
then I get annoyed and deal with it in an appropriate (non-physical)
manner. Personally, I consider my lawyer my most dangerous weapon.

And when the estimate is so high to be obscene, then I go elsewhere.

In article , "MRQB"
wrote:

I have found a lot of profiteering gluttons in aviation industry

and a lot of cheapskates.

--
Bob Noel

Is there any way at all to get a real paint job done for, say,
closer to half that??

http://www.menaaircraftpainting.com/ painted the local club's Cessnas
for about $3,800 each. The results were acceptable, though they took
longer than promised.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

Paul,

If the existing paint isn't too bad you can get a "scratch and sniff" (aka
sand and paint) job for substantially less than a regular strip and paint.
Not all shops will do this, you'll need to make a few calls. Also, you get
more or less what you pay for, a sand and paint is only as good as the
underlying surface condition. If your existing paint is starting to flake,
then your new paint will probably flake off as well (because it's riding on
the existing paint). Best of luck,

mark

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
...
The paint shop nearest me wants $7K to do a 152 (2 colors). I can't
justify that for a $20K bird; the current paint isn't that bad. Is
there any way at all to get a real paint job done for, say, closer to
half that??

Mark Astley wrote:

If the existing paint isn't too bad you can get a "scratch and sniff" (aka
sand and paint) job for substantially less than a regular strip and paint.
Not all shops will do this, you'll need to make a few calls.

Not only that, but not all airframes are going to be happy with extra
paint. The stabilator on my PA24 wouldn't balance after the Vne mod was
installed because there was too much paint, and rumor has it that it can
be an issue with some Bonanzas as well.

Then there's the 172 we picked up from the paint shop a few weeks back
with unpainted control surfaces (or rather, stripped after painted)
because they wouldn't balance properly with _any_ paint on them....

Surprisingly heavy stuff, paint...

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message ...
The paint shop nearest me wants $7K to do a 152 (2 colors). I can't
justify that for a $20K bird; the current paint isn't that bad. Is
there any way at all to get a real paint job done for, say, closer to
half that??

The owner of my home field used to just go out there with cans of Krylon
and touch up his paint.

I hear he finally gave up and had the plane repainted.

Nothing better than shiny aluminum!
Reduces weight, too!