Express Aircraft of Olympia WA quits

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Dude" wrote:

Why would you be less inclined to buy a new one than an old one?

The warranty might not be honored if the mfr. goes TU. A lot of the value
of a new airplane is in the warranty. Suppose you bought a new Commander,
the co. went bankrupt and it was discovered there was a metallurgical flaw
in the main wing spars on new models? That's a not-too-far-fetched
scenario
that would leave you with a $half-million, non-airworthy hangar queen and
no
recourse.

You could have it fixed! out of your own pocket surly if you could afford a
half-million dollar aircraft I am sure you could have it fixed if the mfg.
went out of business


Seems like you are in the same boat.

Not really.

Besides, Cessna pulled the plug on building piston planes even when they
had
money, what's the difference?

Cessna was still a viable company; it did not cancel warranties on new
aircraft when it stopped production of piston a/c.

Cessna did not go out of business they just stopped a product line big
difference.

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Here's a news scoop for you all...

Another one:

Amazingly, it's being reported that Commander Aircraft has found "new
investors" and is back up and running.

Ya just gotta wonder where these guys keep finding investors?


What's even more amazing to me is that they will find customers if they get
back into production. Would you buy a new Commander (or Mooney, for that
matter) knowing the shakey history of the company?

Which one's aren't shakey these days? The New Piper? Cessna who just
up and quit production a few years ago and likely will do so again in a
few more years? Cirrus? They seem to be on a roll, but who knows how
long that will last. I think buying any GA aircraft smaller than a
business jet is risky if you are worried about the maker going TU. The
good thing is that most discontinued airplanes seem to find someone to
keep them in the air.


Matt

Which one's aren't shakey these days? The New Piper?

Good point.

Piper's Vero Beach plant took several major hits from all the hurricanes.
Over on the Cherokee Pilots Association site, we're taking up a collection
for their displaced workers, who currently have no income and no idea when
they'll be able to return to work.

It's very sad -- but the CPA has raised almost $20K for them, just in little
donations from members, in just a few days.

I find that to be amazing. The CPA is really a great group of folks.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In rec.aviation.owning Jay Honeck wrote:
It's very sad -- but the CPA has raised almost $20K for them, just in little
donations from members, in just a few days.
I find that to be amazing. The CPA is really a great group of folks.


Not quite. We just broke $3000, not $20K.

--- Jay



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Jay Masino wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:

It's very sad -- but the CPA has raised almost $20K for them, just in little
donations from members, in just a few days.
I find that to be amazing. The CPA is really a great group of folks.

Not quite. We just broke $3000, not $20K.

Give it to them in pesos then. CPA's - a zero here or a zero there, its
still real money...

It's very sad -- but the CPA has raised almost $20K for them, just in
little
donations from members, in just a few days.
I find that to be amazing. The CPA is really a great group of folks.


Not quite. We just broke $3000, not $20K.

Whoops. That was supposed to be "$2K" when I wrote it...

A zero here, a zero there -- pretty soon you're talking real money...

Glad to hear we've broken $3K!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Dan Luke wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Here's a news scoop for you all...

Another one:

Amazingly, it's being reported that Commander Aircraft has found "new
investors" and is back up and running.

Ya just gotta wonder where these guys keep finding investors?


What's even more amazing to me is that they will find customers if they
get
back into production. Would you buy a new Commander (or Mooney, for
that
matter) knowing the shakey history of the company?

Which one's aren't shakey these days? The New Piper? Cessna who just
up and quit production a few years ago and likely will do so again in a
few more years? Cirrus? They seem to be on a roll, but who knows how
long that will last. I think buying any GA aircraft smaller than a
business jet is risky if you are worried about the maker going TU. The
good thing is that most discontinued airplanes seem to find someone to
keep them in the air.


Matt


Look at VANS aircraft kits, they are Simi local to me I went on a factory
tour and asked a question! Where is the place in the factory that puts the
quick build kits together? They responded they make the parts here send them
over seas to be put together and then they are shipped back here! Maybe
piper or Cessna may start doing this maybe they could save a bunch of money.

The unions would NEVER let that happen at Cessna and Piper with regards
to "outsourcing". Vans wasn't taking jobs from Americans who were
already working for them when they made the outsourcing decision, or if
they did, it wasn't nearly on the scale of what Cessna, Piper or Beech
would have to undertake.

And how many of us would be willing or able to shell out for a
quickbuild that was preassembled at the rate of $20-30 and hour?

Dave

NW_PILOT wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Dan Luke wrote:


"Jay Honeck" wrote:


Here's a news scoop for you all...

Another one:

Amazingly, it's being reported that Commander Aircraft has found "new
investors" and is back up and running.

Ya just gotta wonder where these guys keep finding investors?


What's even more amazing to me is that they will find customers if they

get

back into production. Would you buy a new Commander (or Mooney, for

that

matter) knowing the shakey history of the company?

Which one's aren't shakey these days? The New Piper? Cessna who just
up and quit production a few years ago and likely will do so again in a
few more years? Cirrus? They seem to be on a roll, but who knows how
long that will last. I think buying any GA aircraft smaller than a
business jet is risky if you are worried about the maker going TU. The
good thing is that most discontinued airplanes seem to find someone to
keep them in the air.


Matt



Look at VANS aircraft kits, they are Simi local to me I went on a factory
tour and asked a question! Where is the place in the factory that puts the
quick build kits together? They responded they make the parts here send them
over seas to be put together and then they are shipped back here! Maybe
piper or Cessna may start doing this maybe they could save a bunch of money.

Dave S wrote:

And how many of us would be willing or able to shell out for a
quickbuild that was preassembled at the rate of $20-30 and hour?

Well, the Bearhawk people down in Mexico have delivered at least 37 in a little over
two years.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

G.R. Patterson III wrote:


Dave S wrote:

And how many of us would be willing or able to shell out for a
quickbuild that was preassembled at the rate of $20-30 and hour?


Well, the Bearhawk people down in Mexico have delivered at least 37 in a little over
two years.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

I think Mexico counts as outsourced labor and I doubt they are paying
that kind of rate down there.

Dave